Spinnerm101

Whats really funny about this is that NQ has lost the trust of its player base, I dont know if that can ever again be regained. 
The schematics are just one problem, they say that Tier one schematics should not be that expensive, well, if you want to build a factory to make just containers, that is a simple thing and requires NO TIER TWO ORE OR PURES but yet the large container schematic is 42 Million, WTF is that, what a lie, I did not make 42 million since the beginning of beta,  though I did make some really nice ships. However that is now ALL GONE, 3 crashes against some a-holes platform that just happens to be in route to the marketplace or 3 clips of your wing on the damn light poles on the edge of the platforms and you have to completely remake the ship, oh and that is ONLY if the core did not get destroyed as if it did you have to completely rebuild the ship. Oh yeah and wait, since you cant save the core and it will say you are not the owner all the parts whether destroyed or not are equally screwed. So yeah, you have completely lost my trust and my subscription to your game!!!  Why dont you just call the game Miner Town
 

It was apparent that even after this change that wiped out the little guys, making them unable to make money at all anymore, and making this for them a mining game that you really did not think this out very well. As an example I was watching one of the You Tube creators going in to a market place purchasing anything they needed with almost a full backpack of schematics they still had over 545 MILLION quanta left after purchasing 6 schematics for warp cells. This guys org is not that big either, so all you just did was make the rich much richer. Curse you DEVS!!!!!!!  I had spent 8-12 hours a day (retired) playing this game with a small organization and you just wiped us out literally.  Curse you DEVS!!!!!!   I cant even create a small factory to make containers as the schematics needed would cost me over 100 million to purchase, to be able to possibly get back to a point where the game is playable without having to mine 24/7. CURSE YOU DEVS!!!!!!!  I am sure many other players are feeling the same thing, that they want to play your game as it was or at least a REASONABLE facsimile of what we played before as now the grind is not worth the reward, no where near it!!! That is how games like World of Warcraft and even Eve made if for so long was that even though it was a grind it was worth the tie spent, now this game is NOT EVEN CLOSE.  You think that by the time you release this that people will still be playing, Im afraid not, you will ONLY have the gigantic orgs left and no one in between. No middle class whatsover, but I guess you guys are used to that. And then once the game is fully released you will have the overlords of the game that will rule everything in the game, and no place for newly formed orgs to survive!!!!

It was apparent that even after this change that wiped out the little guys, making them unable to make money at all anymore, and making this for them a mining game that you really did not think this out very well. As an example I was watching one of the You Tube creators going in to a market place purchasing anything they needed with almost a full backpack of schematics they still had over 545 MILLION

It was apparent that even after this change that wiped out the little guys, making them unable to make money at all anymore, and making this for them a mining game that you really did not think this out very well. As an example I was watching one of the You Tube creators going in to a market place purchasing anything they needed with almost a full backpack of schematics they still had over 545 MILLION quanta left after purchasing 6 schematics for warp cells. This guys org is not that big either, so all you just did was make the rich much richer. Curse you DEVS!!!!!!!  I had spent 8-12 hours a day (retired) playing this game with a small organization and you just wiped us out literally.  Curse you DEVS!!!!!!   I cant even create a small factory to make containers as the schematics needed would cost me over 100 million to purchase, to be able to possibly get back to a point where the game is playable without having to mine 24/7. CURSE YOU DEVS!!!!!!!  I am sure many other players are feeling the same thing, that they want to play your game as it was or at least a REASONABLE facsimile of what we played before as now the grind is not worth the reward, no where near it!!! That is how games like World of Warcraft and even Eve made if for so long was that even though it was a grind it was worth the tie spent, now this game is NOT EVEN CLOSE.  You think that by the time you release this that people will still be playing, Im afraid not, you will ONLY have the gigantic orgs left and no one in between. No middle class whatsover, but I guess you guys are used to that. And then once the game is fully released you will have the overlords of the game that will rule everything in the game, and no place for newly formed orgs to survive!!!!

Most of us paid money for a subscription under different impressions. And for the last few months (the entire time I've been playing) crafting anything and everything you want has been part of the game. For most of us that's part of the appeal. Now if the devs want to change that it's perfectly fine, but they, and you, need to understand that they will become subject to the same market forces that they claim they want in their games. Specifically that people will pay for a product that they enjoy, and they wont pay for a product they don't enjoy.

Now it doesn't matter what the original intentions for the game were. The bottom line is that if your customers are demanding something and you ignore them, your customers will leave and give their money to somebody else. If this update is popular then the revenue stream for the game will remain intact, and even grow. If it's unpopular then it will shrink. If it shrinks long enough then the company goes out of business and the game goes away. Shouting at the people paying for a product that they don't understand that they were never intended to enjoy the product the way they were is only going to help push paying customers away.
 
You also don't seem to understand that the devs are trying to force us to participate in the market without first establishing a good revenue stream. We're a few days into this update and I'm still trying to find ways to interact with the market in a meaningful way. I haven't seen much. If the intent was to be able to manufacture something basic for a little while to generate revenue until we can afford to set ourselves up for more complicated manufacturing then the system is already broken. Basic Pipes are selling for half the cost of the materials to make them. Now I'm not a super savvy market type guy and I haven't put a ton of time into this (I can't, I have real things in the real world I have to do) so it's possible (probable) that I've missed some opportunities. That doesn't change the fundamental problem: lack of a revenue stream.

People don't participate in markets unless they have disposable income. Right now there doesn't seem to be much disposable income, so there isn't going to be much participation in the markets. Right now what I am seeing for myself and hearing from others is that the only people who can really *do* anything in the game are those of us who already had a bunch of "stuff" sitting around and some capital built up. I can afford the schematics I need to make my fuels and honeycombs, which means I can still build a few ships and start flying around. Allowing me to actually buy the schematics I need to make fuels. People who haven't been playing as long are just stuck with nothing to do.

And like has been mentioned ad nauseum there are blockbuster games and expansions coming out right now. Elite Dangerous Odyssey is available for pre order, and already does everything this game claims to be a goal minus the designing your own constructs stuff. Which you claim is not actually supposed to be a thing. Cyberpunk is out. Pissing off your customers is one thing, but pissing them off when there are a bunch of new shiny things on the market to distract them is a *really* bad idea.

The *only* thing that makes this game stand out at all is being able to design and build our own constructs. If that was never supposed to be available for any but the elite few, then why would anyone not just keep playing what was already out there? AGAIN, it does NOT matter what the original intentions were. Not all unintended consequences are bad. If your paying customers really like one of the accidents in the game development, consider it a happy accident and move on. Time will tell, and subscribers will vote with their dollars.