JoniAdama
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1 hour ago, Randazzo said:
Comparing this game to Eve is a false equivalence. There is no assumption of safety in Eve nor advertisement of it being so.
Are you ready to drop the false pretense that you were the victim in your story?
Your arguments, like the others, are only trying to legitimize this tactic because it allows you to steal while avoiding PvP which could not be more contrary to the spirit and intent of the game.
"False pretense" where I am pretending ? I told my story and have my own subjective opinion about that whole situation. And I think that is totally legit !
"Avoiding PvP" Man I think you really don`t know what PVP means. This one is max efficieny PvP
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27 minutes ago, Randazzo said:
Cool, what about every other new player who has been told by the game that it's safe to do so in the safe zone?
It's just a chickenshit tactic that you and several others are trying to legitimize so you can steal while avoiding pvp in the process.
Let take some example here from EvE Online. Do you think game tells you that you can be blaped by pirate first time you undock from station, that there will be ganker just waiting for dumb noobs? Do you think eve tells you that you can be killed by bunch of catalysts while you mine in asteroid belt in Hi-sec ? Do eve tell tells you that if you autopilot trough a Hi-sec with freighter, that you can be blaped by 12 tornados while carrying all your ships and items in it?
And do you think here noob loosing he’s first ship will be a big deal? I dont even think that somebody will put even effort to steal that first noobship that is nothing worth... It’s fun, unintentional mechanic that just is there, and is actually quite challening and fun. Dont see any exploits in that. Exploit is totally subjective thing. There is no official announcment from NQ about exaclly this thing. So have fun !
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7 minutes ago, Randazzo said:
That's a big part of the issue, there is nothing to be done. It can't be dealt with. There is no recourse or retaliation possible, which is precisely why it's done. It's people who can't do actual pvp and so resort to grief tactics.
There is, you can claim territory by yourself and then mine, or just go with L sized ship so it cannot be docked on other L. Very easy, you just have to use your brain abit...
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38 minutes ago, Mordgier said:
All these people here complaining, are the same people who died in eve high sec and lost their minds because they were in 'safe space'.
If I see a big fat ship on an unclaimed tile - I'm claiming that tile and stealing your ship.
Deal with it.
Yes! Totally agree !!!
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54 minutes ago, Iorail said:
You are wrong, the other variations of this exploit allows people to actually do the destroying right on the spot, like I said, they used a variation of the exploit to take his ship to the PvP zone cause they couldn’t do it in the tile itself.
Which ever way you want to twist this and go do it yourself for the kicks, don’t do it, they have already banned 1 person for this. It’s an abused and exploit of a game mechanic that shouldn’t be happening which the only thing for sure is doing it’s delaying the progression of the game, like the devs working on real PvP mechanics instead of fixing shit people come up with.
I really can`t believe you are saying such a bullshit. "Delaying the progression of the game" lol dude, if we don`t do stuff like this, that will never be fixed, it`s a part of development... and you are saying they banned 1 person for that. I need official announcement from NQ about this issue, otherwise i don`t believe this is exploit !
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2 minutes ago, Elrood said:
Sorry, no, this is maybe according to "letter of law", but definitely not spirit of law. Safe zone was designed to be safe, not design to trick people into false safety feeling.
Thats an unintended consequence, not amazing stuff.I am pretty sure that Safe Zone is still safe zone, if you know how to use it as Safe Zone. That is mighty and dangerous reality of an True Sandbox !
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2 minutes ago, blazemonger said:
The exploit is that this is possible in a safe zone where PVP is not supposed to be possible/occur.
The problem is NQ has rushed to open beta because they needed the funding and thus have left so many gaping holes in the game mechanics that we will be seeing exploits like these (and worse) for some time to come.
Logging a ticket is your only recourse but NQ is at least three weeks behind on tickets
Well technically PVP is not happening in a safe zone, your ship is just taken outside of safe zone and then the crime happens, super exciting about this. Amazing stuff !
I Will never submit ticket for this.. I am more then happy to loose my ship like this just to find out that this is possible.
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Well to be honest, how can this be and exploit, you have already 2 ingame mechanics to prevent this from happening.
1) Just take a territory unit with you, claim that territory, and you can mine there for week, then just take off territory unit and go to the next spot.
2) Just build your ship on L size dynamic core , and then nobody could dock your ship on another core.
I think this is super interesting content, will try it out, sounds super fun and interesting to do. Ofcourse there will be some guy that looses hes ship, but hey just have mechanics to avoid that, just think with your head.
I would like NQ to never change this, it just makes this game more challenging and forcing you to plan out your mining operations more carefully. Like in EVE Online, you think you are safe in hi-sec, but that actually not like that, people can gank you anyways. Super cool mechanics perfectly done NQ !!!
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Hello everybody,
Today i woke up, and learned some lesson in "Hard way"
I was flying around on Alioth with my Medium sized ship, that had some nice L sized parts on it, some of them were Military grade, + territory scanner. I was scanning some unclaimed territories for ores, and found
3000 KT of Hematite, landed my ship there and started to mine on that spot, I mined for an hour or so, and got only 100k of that hematite in my ships container. It was late, and I thought I am gonna go to sleep and then return on morning to continue my findings to that big Chunk
Woke up, and territory was claimed by another player, also noticed that my ship wasn`t there anymore, I thought hmm strange...
At the end i checked Discord some help, and in notifications window i saw that my ship was destroyed by another player.
So, what happened is, I left my ship on unclaimed territory and went OFF , then some other player found me, Claimed that territory while i was offline, then using Maneuver tool moved my ship and placed it on another Dynamic Construct, which on this case was L core sized ship, took it to space outside of safezone, attacked it and destroyed it, and claimed it, at the end they got all my parts from ship. 10 or 12 Vertical booster L, 8 atmo engines L, 2 Military grade Atmo engines L, 4 Space Engines L. 1 Space Engine XL, Large Container with 100k of hematite in there and Territory scanner.
What do you think ? Is it and exploit ?
Personally I think that`s and amazing stuff to do in this game, never ever have thinked about this one. Even i learn`d it in hard way and the loss was pretty painful.
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Fetch tool
in The Gameplay Mechanics Assembly
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Hi there, well i had an situation today. I was at market, just entered my pilot seat to fly away my ship to my base, took off, went airborne, and after 10 seconds server just crashed (Http Network error or smth), Then when server was back again my ship exploded, and i spawned at random spot near that market, but my ship was 1.5km underground, no option to retrieve it. Only option now is just to submit a ticket, and wait huge amounts of time to get it back, since the game is still in beta and have a lot of unfixed things, wouldn`t it be just smarter to give us back fetch tool for once per 24 hour use ? It was Friday evening I wanted to play this game whole night but now i cannot do it because of this.. Very annoying !