[Do you play EVE Online?]

1 hour ago, Lethys said:

Ctrl+1 for need cap 

 

That's what scouts do, not regular grunts 

 

And don't misread me. I loved eve for it's complex mechanics, but i only see those in low/wh space. A regular nullsec grunt nowadays runs plexes all day and ocasionally Xs up for a fleet just to press f1 when told 

Well, I do both on fleets, sometimes even 3 roles, and what you are describing isn't easy at all.

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1 hour ago, Lambert said:

I am simply going off of the information provided. And yes I do believe that as NQ has said many times they want players to work together. One player who can mine a whole vein by themselves because they have a ship and tech goes against the community part of the game. 

I doubt such core activity will have you require someone's help all the time. Like owning a ming rig, mobile mining rig or something like that.

 

And again, if this game makes it to release you will surely have people who have miner, hauler and solder alts. This is inevitable.

 

You can also wait fo r your buddies to login and help you, for instance, haul the ores you mined, but there will be people who do not like waiting and have more real money, so they will choose this path of using an alt as a trucker.

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1 hour ago, Keieueue said:

Please tell me which kinds of competition exist in which you can clone yourself so you can multiply force just by cheesing a gameplay-wise deficient system
For example, in EvE: throwaway free accounts as static scouts on gates + offgrid booster + support (healer) + gank ships, all of which can  be manned by a single person
Some other person jumps in, using a single account, and gets "competitioned", LOL
Praytell, where is the competition?
Protip: competition requires a level playfield. I suppose you know about sports. Are the teams usually equal in numbers?
"B...b... but it's war in space! Everything goes when in war! Cheap tricks!"
Oh but I thought it was merely an internet game?
Do you want to talk about the RMT going on in EvE, which also fuels the unending quest for borderline exploits and maximum cheese?

You do not lose accounts if someone kills you in Eve or if you get killed by Concord.

 

Lack of levels, tiers and BS like that is the best thing that has happened to the gaming open world.

 

Play maybe a little bit or listen to someone who has actually played it. Do not talk nonsense, please.

 

You do not 'clone' yourself. Scouting is optional, because everthing is player driven. You do jot get free intel on other players. Someone has to do it for you, or you make an alt.

 

@Lambert, I am sure there will be room for multiaccouts. Do you honestly believe mining will be limited to doing it with your hands as shown on the video?

[Do you play EVE Online?]

38 minutes ago, Lethys said:

Only when flying solo. Then you need to know what you do and how tracking, hitting, dmg and other mechanics work. 

 

If in a big nullsec war/gang:

Do what fc tells you

Orbit fc or whoever

Target ppl targetcaller calls 

Press f1

Repeat 

 

Most ppl don't engage in a fight they don't know the outcome of (they win). If they do, they escalate

To this you add - mind your capacitor levels, spot/scout something worthy of reporting.

With all that I meant, it is not a board game of chances as some (sore) players describe it. And from what I see on the Dual Wiki, the intent to bring immersive PvP is in the plans here too. How? I am looking forward to see...

I hope it is better and even more realistic.

[Realistic Building Materials]

Yep. That's the one I was talking about. It is hilarious, but silly at the same time, spoiling the feel of space 'civilization', the game is advertised with.

Would be cool to have those, they are work of art, but let's take realism into account. You can try and launch your wooden ship in space, but it will fall apart when the rocket booster kicks in.

Or if you launch it from the hangar of you carrier it will dismantle in a few hours form the sun radiation. Or you are free to build wooden sheds in the open, but gotta suffer consequences like someone being able of one-shooting it down with a railgun. Something lie that.

[Do you play EVE Online?]

On 11/8/2018 at 11:53 PM, blazemonger said:

We have no idea of what he Meta game for DU will be yet, it will be at least a year until we have somewhat of an idea. If you think you are describing the EVE metagame above you really do not understand EVE. For one economy, community, business and combat will be vastly different. Outside of Lore there is no component of civilian life in EVE nor is there any form of design, implementation of features and industry to speak of. EVE is basically 'Magic The Gathering in Space', your ship is basically your card deck.

I agree with the most but that last bit with Magic Something, Something card game shows you haven;t really played Eve as much or gotten in--depth. Ships do have certain attributes, qualities and different purpose, but it is all up to the pilot and how he or she flies their ship.

This gives you that (human) element of uncertainty of the outcome of every engagement. Each fight can have some many outcomes.

[What happens when you die?]

AKA death clones form another game  But the idea of not having your Resurrection node fixed to avoid quick travel by suicide is awesome.

[Concerns About PVP]

Separating anything defies the whole point of 'single shard'.

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Show us where did those baddies touch you?

Competition = fun

 

In a competition there is always someone losing. Every competitive edge and advantage is 'exploited', pushed to the limits. I don't see anything bad about it. Without player like that you will get bored in the beautiful, quiet city you built.

[Realistic Building Materials]

This is a bit bothering, but I guess a true sandbox suggests that. It will be a true (non-science)fiction charade soon enough, if for example cloth sails do not melt to harsh conditions etc.

Ppl should be free to fly their McDonaldses, but for short few seconds in real atmosphere before they get diamante or something like that. Or have your MacDonald's, but inside the dome or a huge starship you built and display it there.

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Still playing Eve. For 3 years now, sti enjoying it. Been part of most anti-Goon alliances, that matter. This universe will have to go along way to convince me it will provide the same PvP content and war experience, that even exists today in Eve.

 

No other game gives you that adrelaline and is that complex yet. Even when the current meta sucks and encourages consolidation of powers and blobs. Where Eve started really declining when CCP messed up the industry and economy, buffing tue ulti.ate mining ship - the rorqual. Totally unbalanced, allowing miners to print tons of capital and supercapital ships easily. This totally destoyed the power creep, the ships players have now are absolutely out of control. Bcs of that everbody can afford to fly a ship, the developers thought will take considerable time to train for and build - titans and supercarriers. Does that remind you of anything?

 

Haven't decided, if I will sponsor and join the alpha yet. There is too little information and demo footage about the game. I just don't want to invest in a game that might tutn out to be an improved and more beautiful Minecraft on planets of Space Voxels, with existing multiplayer options that are barely used. Those are my fears.

[Realistic Building Materials]

So far, I've seen a few in-game screenshots and videos posted, showing a sailboat sails in planetary orbit and escaping a planet, a medieval, stone castle on the surface of a pmabet with harsh atmosphere environment.

 

I hope this is just for the lols and will be possible only during the alpha. Will those be a thing, or inadequate materials won't fly or sustain harsh environments?

[So all you ex-EvE players]

Some of us are not ex yet. We need to be sold a game better than Eve. Then we jump right in to grief you, steal your dolls, kick your sandcastles Otherwise this game would die 6 months after the release. I am sure the dev team know that and will try to balance PvE vs PvP.

[Concerns About PVP]

I hope it is as toxic and as dangerous as Eve. What is killing Eve is lack of it.

 

Blowing stuff up gives you the thrills and adrenaline, not digging in rocks. Sure, building is essential part, but has to be equally balanced with risk and danger.

 

DU will have my money if I have guarantee that there will be small and large scale battle options, that are not instanced, limited or pre-arranged. 

 

I understand the carebears' rant. They like building stuff and get angry when someone kicks their sandcastle, but there are also others who like competition and confrontation. So the carebear syndicate wants them out of DU?