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After looking over the pre alpha gameplay video for scanning and mining I've been thinking about how will this work longer term in game. Some assumptions There will only ever be hand scanning There will only ever be hand mining There will never be ore scanning or ore mining elements on dynamic cores. There are apparently 5 tiers of materials. I derived this from the post about 15 new materials (3 types in 5 tiers). There are 5 tiers of materials then they will be most likely at successive depths. I derived this from the scanning/mining video that says most low level ores can be detected with the default scanning depth of 400m. Exploration: Initial exploration will be done with random surface scanning and then hunting it down through manual triangulation. Deeper exploration will have to be done via exploratory grid tunneling. For tier 2 a 800m hole down to scan might make sense. But longer term layers of grid tunnels make more sense. The ideal layering of tunnels would appear to be a square grid of 800m tunnels. First layer at 400m down, second layer at 800m down offeset by 400m from the first grid. From above the tunnels would appear to be a 400m grid because of the offsets. This makes sure that all material is within 400m of a walkable place and can be scanned. This can be repeated all the way down to maximum dig depth. Tools to help with exploration: Ideally in lua script all scan results would be available - i.e. a scanResult hook that would include scan datetime, scan Type, position coordinate, facing vector, scan result vector of (ore type and distance). This information could be processed to be turned into a map of probable ore locations. The more scans involved in a concentrated area, the more accurate it becomes. It is up to the user and scripts/devices they use how the data is processed and stored. A data card of scan data becomes the survey result item people have asked for. Able to be traded, sold, etc. A centralized warehouse of scan results for an organization can help leadership plan mining operations, etc. Being able to scan while standing on a dynamic construct means you would be able to have say a mining mule that you could have controls that would say go x meters in direction y. This allows for consistent scanning of an area which leads to higher quality survey results. Imagine the mining mule is remote controlled rather than sitting in a pilot seat. Your standing on a platform spot on the mule with clear access to the front/sides/above. Being able to mine from the same dynamic construct means the mining mule works for scanning/mining and probably some cargo space for what you mine. None of this go against the basic idea of no scanning/mining automation IMO. You still have to scan manually. Your just being helped on precise positioning and recording of the data. You still have to mine manually. But you can do it from a machine that can get you into a close position with some storage. In both cases there will be a tug of war between bigger machines holding more vs smaller machines getting into tighter spots. You can't have it all so make your trade offs and build appropriately. It also opens up a category of things for players to develop and sell to improve the scanning/mining experience. They might be sold on the market.. Or they might be tightly held competitive advantages that people will do anything to protect. Definitely looking forward to getting access to the Alpha this month
https://www.dualthegame.com/en/news/2018/04/06/new-build-preview/ Big features like scanning, mining, markets and money are coming along with some changes for engines (vboosters may have been a tad overwhelming). This tells me NQ have been very busy behind the scenes this year What are your thoughts on the next build?
(Posted Friday 4th of November 2016 on the DevBlog) Some progress on the mining game mechanics In this Devblog, we aim to shed some light on a very important part of the future gameplay of Dual Universe: scanning & mining. What follows is our current thinking on these features, as we are currently implementing them. This may still evolve in the future, in particular thanks to your feedback! So, let’s have a look. Scanning is the activity of prospecting to find new resources in the ground on planets. Resources are physically geographically located, they have a span and a size, and they are generated via our procedural algorithms together with the planet as voxel blobs. They will be spread on the planets based on rarity and how important they actually are in crafting recipes. Some rare resources will not be found on Alioth, the starting planet, so you will have to journey out into the universe to locate them.. Each biome will have a set of typical resources associated with it, so prospecting starts by “knowing your biomes” The table below presents a simple rough description of how we plan to stage the levels of difficulty for materials: Our current plans for prospecting are focused on two scanning techniques: radial scanning and directional scanning. Radial scanning will allow you to probe for a given class of material in a given radius: the scanner will be able to show you what percentage of the area you’re scanning is made up of the class of material you are seeking. It’s only partial information. You won’t know where it is exactly, just that 1.6% of the volume of your scanning sphere is filled with metal, for example. A scan “operation” will take some time. Longer scans will yield more precise measurements. There will be a level of imprecision in the exact size of the radius, which you will be able to improve via skills. How does it work? Well, most of the time, the thing you are looking for will not be in the sphere you are probing. So, you’ll see a 0% signal reading. You will then move and suddenly, a signal will show up. You know that your sphere has just “hit” a vein of what you are searching for. At this moment, you will be able to deploy a sphere marker, that will basically help you to visualize the volume where your target material is likely located.. The marker will stay there while you move to another location and start again. By intersecting markers you will start to be able to pinpoint more precisely where your precious material is located. This is the general idea. Now, the exact technique you will use will also depend on the type of veins that correspond to the material you are looking for and what kind scanner you have. Consider these two schema that illustrate different strategies depending on the relative size of the average vein compared to the radius of the scanner (the double circling of the spheres illustrate the imprecision on the radius): These strategies will be important to master, because mining randomly will just exhaust your time and resources and will usually return only very common and not very worthwhile materials. Mining gear will have fixed scanning ranges that correspond to their levels. You won’t be able to adjust these ranges or change the scanning radius. They’re fixed. So, no choice: you need to move! Now, once you start to have a better idea where you material is, you might start to use the directional scanner. This is much more straightforward. The directional scanner will give you the amount of the 4 or 5 most significant materials within a cone of a few degrees in the direction you’ve pointed your scanner.. The max distance will be a level dependent parameter, but will remain relatively small so you need to use radial scanning first to narrow your search area. The signal received for a given piece of material will decrease with distance, which should give you precious “gradient” information to follow. This is roughly how this could look: In some future expansion we will probably add some more advanced tools for prospectors as well as planetary scale global information to help you judge the potential of newly discovered planets. Our vision for this gameplay (as well as most of the gameplay of Dual) is to make it deep. We want players to be able to develop their own very real expertise on best practice, specializations, etc. We want the activity of prospectors to remain challenging even when you master it, so that a good prospector will have a very high value as part of a team. Now, for easy and abundant materials, it will be possible to find resources much more easily (we are considering a simple local highlight of what is there, so you just “see” it). But for the more rare and uncommon materials, we want it to be rewarding and feel like a real achievement. We provide the tools, but players will have to come up with the best strategies to get to the most precious material. The way you dig for gold as a beginner, and the way you will approach it after 100 hours of being a prospector are totally different. Sure there is a skill tree, but the actual trial and error experience also makes a difference. For a MMO game that is supposed to be played for hundreds of hours, anything not challenging quickly becomes a chore. We want to prevent that. Now, about mining: it will be done via your Nanoformer. The harder the material and the larger the volume collected, the longer it will take. We have chosen an energy-based model where each material is capable of absorbing a certain level of energy before being “mined”. So, you will be able to upgrade your Nanoformer energy throughput to improve your mining as well as various mining skills. For more advanced mining, and possibly some rare materials, dedicated tools will enter the scene, but this might not be available at release, but rather in a future expansion. We are considering the possibility of Mining Units inside your constructs, but this will be in an expansion after release and it will require some careful balancing to make sure standard mining is still an option, in particular for beginners. Interestingly, we imagine that the “profession” of prospector/scanner and the “profession” of miner could very well be separate. Some people will specialize in finding large veins of important materials (and possibly sell the intel about the location), while some others will specialize in mining it, focusing on a mining site for several weeks or months. When you exploit a deep vein, you will need to install things like lifts, vehicles, containers, and clean wide shafts to ease material and dirt evacuation. Maybe even factories close to the vein to transform the ore into pure material. This differs from most other games where scanning and mining are usually very similar and the activity of mining and scanning alternate frequently as you jump from one asteroid to another, or one mining spot to the other. We hope you enjoyed this short intro and, as usual, we are very excited to hear your feedback and ideas! We are developing this at the moment, so it’s a good time for the community to share your thoughts and influence what is going on! JC Baillie, Project Lead.
Scanning and mining devblog was added recently. And this got me thinking: Could scanning for constructs be done similarly? But instead of the type of resource dictating what type of scan is required, the elements on/material of the construct itself dictates how susceptible the construct is to the various scans. Similarly to prospecting one could use the radial scan to detect the absence/presence of a construct and then use a directional scan to get a better idea of its location. This is especially useful for finding an active construct. Inactive constructs will be much more difficult if not impossible to find. Another thought perhaps dedicated long range directional scanners pointed out to space could give an indication of the presence of another system. Through triangulation, this could give an indication of how far away that system is. Detecting the presence of another system is the first step to going to it.