carijay766
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Are you refering to your postings? They are indeed absolutely low quality trash. But fun to dissect, its so easy.
PS: Your reaction is a nice show of helplessness.
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Your level argumentation and presentation of evidence to underline it is amazing. Are you french by any chance?
Your simplemindedness is kind of contradicting itself already. Because of you consider "configuration error" a bug, then the players who stole via RDMS theft from that other org must have been bugusers aswell. You see, however you twist and turn things we end up at the same point. That you dont make any sense.
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13 minutes ago, Ven said:
I saw a screenshot of at least one player trying to report this. So there is that
Yes its a blatant lie - it has been reported to a staff member who was online at that time. Later on it went public on reddit and was openly discussed and acknowleged by other staff members but no action was taken for hours and hours even after it was out in the open on all official discord channels luring more people into it (who also were perma banned). Some people support NQs lies in ignorance.
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I dont know how to word things easier. Youre really having a hard time to understand basic definitions. I cannot fix missing intelligence. definition of bug ="A software bug is an error, flaw or fault in a computer program or system that causes it to produce an incorrect or unexpected result, or to behave in unintended ways."
Which did not happen at any point in this case. All systems worked as intended, as much as you want to turn this into a bug it isnt. It was pure ingame neglicence within a self declared rule that would put all the responsibility and consequences of ingame neglicene onto the negligent agent, within an even bigger promise of a "fully editable" and "boundless world without limits". Not to forget that NQ has been openly tolerating way more extreme examples (and in this case real exploits and bugs) that were actually not intended systems. And we even had the recent example of a giant RDMS theft where NQ clearly stated again that RDMS theft is legit.
Neglicence is rarely actively intended, but it most certainly doesnt justify the overly harsh reaction in a completely nonsense direction in any way. NQ has shown theyre incapable to react appropiately, incapable to take responsibility and incapable to be a good example. While this randomness might be within the power of NQ, it is the worst possible example you can set and it makes you a tyrant if you want it or not. There are a lot of tyrants and dictators who acted within the laws they made, would you defend their actions because it was "legal" within a made up system disconnected from any reason, responsibility and moral? I dont want to bring politics into this but defending NQs actions based on flawed and vague (sometimes even absolutely contradictory) rules which are constantly reinterpreted to weasel out of situations caused by NQs mistakes and dont give any direction for the project or consumers is not acceptable - this is primitive circular logic/reasoning and doesnt consider the broader picture. NQ isnt even afraid of blatantly lying to all of us about things to make them fit their propaganda (and ignore every evidence there is). There is no way this wont inherently hurt or isn't already hurting the project and playerbase on the long run.
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Dude this is per definition not a bug this is a human (maybe unintended) mistake and severe negligence and they blamed it on the players instead of sucking it up and solving the situation like adults.
If developers spawn something and then perma ban players for taking it its the worst possible approach you can have. Any other solution would have been reasonable. Aka removing the items that were gained from the mistake (I know it sounds crazy that the devs would actually fix their mistake).
The system behind this was the RDMS is worked perfectly fine. Exploit = abuse of a system that doesnt work like intended. The system behind this was the RDMS is worked perfectly fine. Using the system like its intended = no exploit. Blaming your own mistake on the players = hypocritically amateurish and childish behaviour
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8 minutes ago, Elrood said:
Yes, theory of what DU is is not what DU is in practice.
Thats the issue fully summarized.
Permabanning players who lived up to the theory is the is just a sidenote of this.
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25 minutes ago, Elrood said:
Check software engineering bug definition. ?Every bug is a developer mistake. I do understand it. You don't know definitions.
You are correct every bug is a developers mistake, but not every developers mistake is a bug. You dont seem to understand a lot.
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The problem is NQs structure are part of the so called open world sandbox and in no way separated from this. They parttake in the events and proceedings of the game. Its a horrible message if you want a living dynamic open world to punish players for acting within the given system even if NQs structures are involved (and to make things worse NQ failed to set the RDMS correctly, so they even participated in the game with the game mechanics)
Lets have a look at their game pitch and promise to the players base (the main reason many of us joined the game and even backed it in blind faith):
The only part of this that is actually is true is that I've never seen such a mismanaged project before.
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22 hours ago, Iorail said:
The issue lays in the matter of reporting and leaving it to luck, that be, they either look at the ticket and close the loop or ignore the ticket until it sorts itself out. Because tickets are backed up for months ( I still have a few exploit tickets open since forever), it’s must likely that the only way this bugs and exploits will be close once and for all it’s when stuff like the market heist happens. I lost it when the banning occurred (even tho I agree 100% on the ban) because the only reason this happened was because it made NQ look really bad on Reddit, nothing else. Yet, the same is happening to players but that’s ok.......double standards it’s the nail in the coffin they really don’t need.
With that said, I have never supported cheating in any game, and punishment needs to be handle in all cases and not in a select few, regardless if this is a beta, a paid beta or a poorly executed Alpha pretending to be a Beta. At this point it’s all up to us, do we really want to continue to support this dumpster fire and help put it out or do we simply walk away cause the flames got to big, that’s real question.
The RDMS was 100% working as intended tho. They just failed to set it correctly or maybe intentionally set it wrong (you can only judge that in hindsight now if you want to believe NQs proganda). Also there was no advantage, the open market was avaible to everyone. Their own law stated: if you leave something unlocked and its stolen, its 100% your responsibility. its absolutely our intention and the intended game mechanics. there will be no interference by the game designers.
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I'm just applying Mooses flawed logic in his arguments.... Thats my point the comparisons dont make any sense as taking apart construct with open RDMS are absolutely within the intended game mechanics therefore not an exploit or bug abuse. Its completely irrelavant if its vandalism, murder or whatever if its not breaking the game mechanics.
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6 minutes ago, Moosegun said:
Actually the word 'kill' is widely used within pvp, kill to death ratio for example. Explain how that is any different. Anyone who has played the amoung us will have certainly murdered plenty of people.
And did they get permabanned for that? I mean we all agree murder is way worse than vandalism. It's common sense. And murder (killing a player) plus vandalism (destroying their ships) in combination is the worst by that logic.
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7 minutes ago, Kra said:
It is an exploit when they say it is. It is okay when they say it is. How is this so hard to understand?
They are the ones to define the rules.
No its still an exploit by their own definition. It's tolerated in h i n d s i g h t, they might as well have considered this a bannable offense and then all the white knights and fan boys would be "omg it was so obvious".
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15 hours ago, dumpeet said:
A lot of this could be cleared up just by separating the user from the player. But then again, vague is what they want it to be.
This would for example would be absolute common sense and a first step. Everything this company does feels really half assed to me and then they abuse their half assed attempts to turn them against the players. I've seen hobby modding teams who did a more professional job. It's so annoying when you're trying to play a game and the company behind it is so unprofessional that on the one side they spread terror by misinformation/no information/contradiction and on the other side don't provide your money's worth or keep up with their own standards.
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1 hour ago, Velish said:
this is a really poor system.
it should be in the account pages to cancel the subscription. blizzard do this and it is easy to just renew for a month and then cancel the recurring subscription each month depending on how i feel my time is for the month and if i can play or not.
having to locate the original email you got and then in small writing at the bottom of it is where you can find a link to the pages to cancel.
at the very least there should be an FAQ that has this info on the site. it doesnt create much in the way of trust with the company to have something as simple as a canceling a sub made so hard to do. i noticed that if i wanted to upgrade my sub it is front and centre and simple to do.
Wellp tbh I haven't seen any thought thru system in their entire product. I hope you guys get your money back, I got mine back for several accounts directly from the credit card company after providing enough proof of NQs unlawful behavior.
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10 hours ago, Eleete said:
^^ But can you say any nice things about DU ?
Begging for positive reviews. Looks really good for this game.
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1 hour ago, Anopheles said:
This thread: sound and fury signifying nothing.
Let it die.
Wanna be white knights to the rescue. Apparently your wish for censorship doesn't happen here.
And yes we now all this talk will not lead to something unless NQ makes another mistake and sees a Chance to blame it on the players. Their silence now is out of fear obviously. This is exactly the kind of behavior you see in kids - overreact then try to let it blow over by keeping quiet.
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10 hours ago, DavidDavidson said:
So your opinion is based on the fact that you don't like his voice?
200 IQ here guys. This man can deduce the morals and merit of a person simply by the sound of their voice. No doubt you'll be sought after by police forces around the world to tell them who is guilty and who isn't based on their voice alone, after all who needs evidence or even laws when you can condemn someone for having a voice you don't like.
Yeah I agree an astounding amount of pleb/mob in this community.
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8 hours ago, Moosegun said:
Quoting the Oxford English Dictionary - Vandlism - any activity that is considered to be damaging or destroying something that was good (I had a lot of stock at A15, so considered it 'good')
As apparently these jokers didnt steal anything (weird though they called it a HEIST on Reddit) they cant be called thieves or griefers, just a couple of player who stumbled across something they should have reported, but instead they chose to use the opportunity to piss all over the lawn and post it on Reddit for the community BEFORE they leave some lame ass post to the devs (at 7am I thought).
I couldnt give a shit about who or what you are in RL and what you might or might not be roleplaying. These guys where presented an opportunity to do a number of different things, they chose to smash stuff up and post it for exposure. Well they got their exposure. That fact people like you are scrolling through ToS agreements to prove they are 'innocent' is embarrassing. They should man up and take it on the chin.Can you also quote the word murder and how would you call destroying anothers player ship you genius?
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Again a nice example of NQs unprofessional management instead of swiftly fixing all the persisting crashing, lag and performance issues in a reasonable time they fix the symptoms. Their badly programed game (which doesn't even deserve the beta title) causes unnecessary effort to the players and create unnerving situations. Many people in the chat have a legitimate request.
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2 minutes ago, Eleete said:
Who has no vision for the game? And what exactly have they said or done to make you write that?
Errrr beating around the bush like that?! Not being able to give clear statements at where this game is going if something will actually happening or not, JC jabbering inconsistent nonsense etc. etc.
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2 hours ago, dumpeet said:
I risk repeating myself but they are not giving us a proper response exactly because they want to keep the people who would quit over a wipe AND the people who would quit over not wiping the world come release. At least until the release is a month away and dodging the question would be no longer possible.
Telling people that there will be no wipe will just give them another reason to press NQ for territory warfare because they missed out on all the good tiles. It will also turn away new people who don't want to play on an Alioth covered in air platforms and endless pitfalls.
Telling people that there will be a wipe will cause a shitstorm among entitled zoomers who will proceed to bash the game online for no reason (even though there are plenty of valid reasons to do so).
And because they have no vision for the game, theyre playing it by the ear. Which from an game development point of view is again very amateurish - we all have seen what their spontanious and panic driven decisions lead to.
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1 hour ago, DavidDavidson said:
They did inform NQ. They state that in the video they sent a DM.
What they did was relatively minor, a good dev would fix the permission system, not ban them and then make a thread talking about how "its not a quick fix" and "they broke the EULA" when they cannot cite what part of the EULA they broke, because they didn't break the EULA.
As for "Most players don't have to look at the TOS at all" you must have never played EvE. I made my first few billion (back when a billion ISK was a lot of money and a month of game time would cost you about 170 million) by straight up scamming people either by selling them ships renamed to "navy issue" (like a "Megathron" renamed to "Megathron Navy Issue") for a huge markup as navy issue ships cost about 5x as much as the base model (which is what they got).
Setting freeform contracts that players had to pay to accept and then could never complete.
Ransoming ships by using the lofty scam (you make a shell corporation, declare war on it and then invite someone to your fleet with shell Corp A and they become an unmarked war target for Corp B, then as they take their shiny ship to help you on a mission you instead warp them to where you're waiting with your main and Corp A who ransom or destroy that guy's ship and pod).
Declaring war on juicy targets and ransoming their corporation for protection money.
When they released wormholes we offered to do "wormhole tours" with people then when they were in an area they could be killed with impunity (wormhole space) ransoming or destroying their ship/pod.
Probing out people running missions stealing from their loot and getting them to shoot at me in a small, weak ship then coming back within the 15 minute aggro timer in a more powerful ship and ransoming/killing them.
When mobile tractor units first came out (essentially a deployable mini structure that vacuumed in wrecks and looted them for you) I would attack it and that would cause their drones to automatically attack me meaning that I could then shoot back, allowing me to ransom/kill the person who just had their drones run off and attack me.
I had to check whether or not this was against the TOS/labelled an exploit a lot of the time, it never was and despite many reports against me (at least 100)i never got so much as a warning. because the TOS said it was okay.
Here's an EvE mail I got from someone who got told by the GM "sorry, its within the TOS" narrated by Jade Elira:
https://terrusvalkingrage.ytmnd.com/
At the end of the day, what they did was legit according to what the devs themselves said. They didn't cheat, they didn't exploit a bug, they saw that the developers had made an oopsie and took some stuff. They also let NQ know, which GMs on the NQ discord backed up before NQ started banning their GMs.
There is even screenshoted proof that it was reported, despite the "official claims" of NQ.
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RIP Market 15
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I love your knife analogy. Its indeed funny to think about. Some people are trying to make it look like cutting your own finger is the same as some ELSE breaking into your knife store with TNT and stealing all your knifes then reselling these knifes on amazon to make a profit.