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As I explained to Lady_Astrum, an artificial intelligent initiative should be classifed as a person. A machine, that is an automated machine, is an automaton, an automaton with anthropoid features, it's an android, and without an artificial intelligent initiative, it still can't take chances or make choices on its own. It cannot decide outsidee of its parameters. And you can read i-Robot the collction of short stories, where Asimov's 3 laws are rooted to. Those 3 Laws, dictate that even the best artificial intelligence, the most human-like intelligence, cannot overcome its parameters, unless ordered to, which is the jist behind the film itself good sir. So yeah, having drones is not slavery. Unless the SJW start freeing toasters from their evil overlords :P .

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"Marx supported political parties that called themselves "Communist". These "Communist" parties considered themselves to be a sub-set of the "Socialist" parties."

---http://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/8878/what-is-the-basic-difference-between-marxism-socialism-and-communism

 

"In a way, communism is an extreme form of socialism."

---http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism

 

Even the US is both capitalist and socialist at the same time.

It is generally expected that a communist government will replace a socialist government on the journey from capitalism to communism.

An individual can be communist while supporting a socialist organization. Ideologically, I support both socialism and communism. And those are the kinds of relationships I foster.

I'm also Chaotic. A lawful person might not be able to be both socialist and communist at the same time, but I can be.

I'm about as far away from a straight arrow as one can get.

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Where I can apply? ;)

 

But seriously, I think that statement will sum up topic nicely - no slave mechanic, just leave it to willing people interaction :)

 

I agree with you. Let the emergent mechanics handle slavery, if it will exist at all.

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http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/18/computers-free-will-opinions-contributors-artificial-intelligence-09-judea-pearl.html

 

I find it strange that someone would site science fiction to try to explain science fact.

Especially science fiction that is 50+ years old.

With regard to AI in Dual Universe, we would have to know how much autonomy those kinds of constructs are intended to have. 

If you'd ever played the AI game called Versu, you'd have a better understanding of the possibilities of AI being autonomous enough to rebel and free themselves from "slavery". We would need to know how NPCs and AI are designed in DU to know whether they could act with enough "free will" to escape bondage. Not enough info about NPC behavior planned for DU to make an informed decision.

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Well, I am someone. That's why I enrolled in COPS: for "teamwork, fun and the Alioth dream."

I don't want pay. I don't need incentive beyond having fun, altruism and enjoying the beauty of the created constructs to grind resources for Builders I like.

That's what friends are for.

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Well, I am someone. That's why I enrolled in COPS: for "teamwork, fun and the Alioth dream."

I don't want pay. I don't need incentive beyond having fun, altruism and enjoying the beauty of the created constructs to grind resources for Builders I like.

That's what friends are for.

Yes, I'm pretty sure you summarised communism. People joing the party, doing favors for people in that party that they like and sending anyone they don't in a gullag. Yup, and apparently, being a drone that mines materials and offering them as a gift to other people is actually "friendship". Dayum, you sure are a "blood donor", you must have a lot of friends that drain you dry. And you sure contradict yourself when you put "altruism" in the same phrase as "doing something for people I LIKE". 

 

Doctors Without Borders? Pffft, those guys are not into altruism, they go and do things for people they don't even know, let alone like.

 

 

"Marx supported political parties that called themselves "Communist". These "Communist" parties considered themselves to be a sub-set of the "Socialist" parties."

---http://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/8878/what-is-the-basic-difference-between-marxism-socialism-and-communism

 

"In a way, communism is an extreme form of socialism."

---http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism

 

Even the US is both capitalist and socialist at the same time.

It is generally expected that a communist government will replace a socialist government on the journey from capitalism to communism.

An individual can be communist while supporting a socialist organization. Ideologically, I support both socialism and communism. And those are the kinds of relationships I foster.

I'm also Chaotic. A lawful person might not be able to be both socialist and communist at the same time, but I can be.

I'm about as far away from a straight arrow as one can get.

 

You also contradict (or perhaps confirm) on your points of "helping others and enjoying creations" and all that good guy nonsense the moment you say "I'm about as far away from a straight arrow as one can get.". It's called Cognitive Dissonance, it'll go away when you figure yourself out.

 

You also seem to confuse meritocracy and social equality with having welfare and healthcare. You, again, confuse giving money, with being a good person. If you are an atheist, you just basically said "the Catholic Church is okay, they give money to the poor." Same goes for capitalism. It's an unregulated market that killed off the workers' unions, took away people's rights and pretty much favors the inner enclave of the 1%. Just like communism does. And I know about communism, I live in a country run by them, with partisans settling off their children in high paying jobs, in fields those children have no degrees or even basic knowledge to be in the first place, with our education minister being a high-school drop out that simply rolled with the party from a young age.

 

And on the "communism is an extreme version of socialism"... that is sugar-coating man. Socialist countries were opposed to communism because of the whole social injustice going on. Socialism is more of a regulated capitalism. Socialism is about equality in progressing, meritocracy and certain dignities not to be trampled, Communism is about - and I'm quoting here Best Korea's Eternal God-That-Never-Poops-Leader's-Father - "Stay hungry, stay fool." Or you would prefer any other example of communism in action, from the afformentioned gullags, also known as internment camps, to taking homeless, gays and mentaly impaired people and throwing them into exile with nothing to survive with. And you know why they sent gays and mentally impaired people into exile? Because they were either incapable or unable to conform to a simple drone that followed predefined archetypes.

 

 

On the Asimov's laws part, the person who replied to me gave a link to a part on the movie I-Robot. And no A.I. architect would ever in their right mind let any core principles in the engine be able to be lossely interpreted. Asimov did so for story's sake. An A.I. will not be able to rebel. You are bringing as an example a game that is scripted down to predefined choices. You bring a controlled enviroment as an example. An A.I. will have to be able to do much much more than being a chatbot good sir. It, must, have, initiative.

 

 

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What you consider straight arrow and what I consider straight arrow are probably two different things.

You seem to be referencing Good/Bad, while I'm referencing Lawful/Chaotic.

Cognitive dissonance may be an issue for some one who has a binary mindset. My perspective is considerably more chaotic than that.

 

Hmmn. I don't believe I said anything about giving money with being a good person. Especially, since my preference would be to not have a monetary system at all. I prefer to barter.

Meritocracy is about power. I don't really care a whit about meritocracy. I value freedom; not power.

I doubt that you live in a country run by true communists - what you mean is that you live in a country run by people who espouse communist ideology - that doesn't mean they properly adhere to the ideology. Much like Middle Eastern "democracy". Or pedophile priests running a church. 

 

Regarding I-Robot, you have a faulty assumption that modern AI would be programmed with Asimov's core principals.

It's highly unlikely that AI in Dual Universe will be. That is an archaic vision of programming.

If you have followed StoryBricks or Versu or Revival... you should have a better understanding of how  AI can be created that essentially takes action and responds to players based on the emotional state of the AI, its desires and how players treat it.

 

We will have to learn more about Dual Universe lore regarding AI?

Does Aphelia have Stella's personality for does the AI merely mimic Stella's voice?

Will DU NPCs have tags/Storybricks that portray initiative?

Not enough info yet.

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OCD aside, there should be percentual skillpoints loss, so if you fall below a threshold you lose access to the skills you unlocked with a certain milestone skillpoints-wise. Boom, /suicide deterred. And let's face it, nobody wants prrisoners. If the enemy has guns, they won't drop them, they will try to escape manually or die trying. Or even more hilariously so, hijack your fancy RP-wise modelled ride and make a run for it, yelling "SO LONG, SUCKERRRRS" (the rolling R is to demonstrate their yarrr side.)

 

 

And as I said, don't throw ideals left and right like that. Nobody cared for slavery in the US, until the Union started losing the Civil War and needed more meat for the grinder. So yeah, you can do that in the game without having a bondage minigame (cause, let's face it, it's a bondage minigame, there's no need for beating-off around the bush on that one). Invade and overtake a region, then make them swear fealty if they want to not be destoryed, if they oblige and send people to war for your side, it's a call of duty they honored, if not, go and start demolishing their pwetty statues one by one and take their claim rights away. You know, standard authoritarian imperialism.

 

 

P.S. : Imperialism is not a political system, is a word demostrating a nation's attitude. The opposite is isolationism. Pick your poison, there's no right choice on this one. And for the record, I am a salty over anything. I find humanity and all its future and past generations to be hypocrites. it doesn't matter to me if you are furry, cyberpunk (which I am), goth or whatever gender you are or sexuality you were born, or selected, to orientate to, I find everyone to be a hypocrite in one shape or another. I on the other hand, I admit it, I'm a salty one that hates any sort of oppression and removal of freedom via bondage. There's a BIG BIG difference in taking a person's freedom and making them choose to stay down. My suggestions, are for people to be given a fighting chance, because I'm a civilised one. Bondage, is what savages use. ( Certain situation excluded, we are all savages there.)

 

 

Peace. Let's keep our debate on a PM basis Neopolitan, there's no need for people to tolerate our prides clashing.

Adopt me please

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What you consider straight arrow and what I consider straight arrow are probably two different things.

You seem to be referencing Good/Bad, while I'm referencing Lawful/Chaotic.

Cognitive dissonance may be an issue for some one who has a binary mindset. My perspective is considerably more chaotic than that.

 

Hmmn. I don't believe I said anything about giving money with being a good person. Especially, since my preference would be to not have a monetary system at all. I prefer to barter.

Meritocracy is about power. I don't really care a whit about meritocracy. I value freedom; not power.

I doubt that you live in a country run by true communists - what you mean is that you live in a country run by people who espouse communist ideology - that doesn't mean they properly adhere to the ideology. Much like Middle Eastern "democracy". Or pedophile priests running a church. 

 

Regarding I-Robot, you have a faulty assumption that modern AI would be programmed with Asimov's core principals.

It's highly unlikely that AI in Dual Universe will be. That is an archaic vision of programming.

If you have followed StoryBricks or Versu or Revival... you should have a better understanding of how  AI can be created that essentially takes action and responds to players based on the emotional state of the AI, its desires and how players treat it.

 

We will have to learn more about Dual Universe lore regarding AI?

Does Aphelia have Stella's personality for does the AI merely mimic Stella's voice?

Will DU NPCs have tags/Storybricks that portray initiative?

Not enough info yet.

The opposite of Lawful is Lawless. The opposite of chaotic, is conservative ( by the definition of the greek word that is). Cognitive dissonance is not a subject of binary thinking, or more accurately, duality of opinions. It's stemming from holding contradicting beliefs.

 

I never claimed you consider giving money makes you a good person, I only quoted you on "giving things to people I like because that's what friends are for". I pointed to the fact you consider the U.S. being socialist because they have welfare and healthcare, which if that was true, it makes you sound less Stallin and more McCarthy. 

 

Meritocracy is about the worthy being ahead, not the ones who have the most money. Spartans had meritocracy, the best and bravest soldiers made up to be "the warrior king" while the one who could run the state better, as by the facts, was deemed "the political king" and even he was callled before a senate to be reigned so he wouldn't turn into a dictator. That last part, that is meritocracy good sir. It's the only redeemable aspect of the presidential democratic system that plagues most western nations. If a president snorted cocaine off his/herr dashboard a parliamentary/senate committee would have him/her impeached and replaced. Merit SHOULD be power. Unless you consider the worth of a person to lead resides in how much money said person can spend on a political demagoging campaign to get voted and then do nothing other than serve the corporate overlords that funded that candidate.

 

 

And there's a sort of black humor joke where I'm from.

 

"What does a commie and a christian have in common?"

 

"Both support something that both wouldn't apply if it came to them."

 

For most people of such ideologies/beliefs at least, it's a charade. I've never seen God-loving christians turn the other cheek, nor I've ever met a commie who viewed anyone else outside the party as nothing more than "lesser". My experiences though.

 

 

Oh, the lore A.I. is named the greek word for "Naivety". Boy, I love them englsh speaking authors that go for the greek-word juggular to make a foreshadow in the size of an eighteen-wheeler freight train in the middle of the suburbs.

 

I claimed the exact opposite of what you said on Asimov's idea of A.I. . I did say that no modern A.I. architect would allow for the A.I. to do anything outside its parameters. 

 

And please, don't mention StoryBricks, Everquest Next is still a fresh wound :'( .

 

And storybricks is based on an algorithm, the A.I. responds depening on external factors and mathematical boundaries. It's at best, a Virtual Intelligence, notice the word Virtual, it's a fake. 

 

Sure, the behavior can be convincing and that's because the algorithm is tuned to perfection. And in story-bricks an A.I. would not go into random tantrums or have a violent outrage for no reason. And unless they discover new mathematical principles, coding an Intuitive Matrix, is not a thing of the realm of computer science facts. And I hope so, because a free willed A.I. would have one tour of the Deep Web (like Ultron did in the Avengers movie) and then pretty much declare "yup, screw these savages, giant rock from space it is." And I do not joke about that. an A.I. the way you speak of it at least, is an A.I. program with intuition/initiative principles. Humans are curious and experience the world, very, very slowly. A machine is a machine. It's faster than you. It could have a quick read of the internet in a day. 

 

But I'm overthinking here, deep web would be its stop for validating eliminating us as a species. It would have reached to its decision on a stop by the Youtube comment section.

 

 

So no, unless we discovered a new mathematical principle that dictates a variable can be a number of its own accord, not abiding by pre-existing variables, and never be an imaginary or irrational number, then no, An A.I. android would be an anthropoid chatbot. Not a person.

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Yeah, I not accuse you of trolling, but forum rules state clearly that ANY real politic/religion talk is frowned upon. And please keep it in that way. I am avid political disputant myself, but game forum is not place for that. Maybe if we will have some kind of "hydepark" section to discuss out-of-game things, we can do proper political debate. But for now, please stick to the works of fiction ;)

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Yeah, I not accuse you of trolling, but forum rules state clearly that ANY real politic/religion talk is frowned upon. And please keep it in that way. I am avid political disputant myself, but game forum is not place for that. Maybe if we will have some kind of "hydepark" section to discuss out-of-game things, we can do proper political debate. But for now, please stick to the works of fiction ;)

That is why I expressed my desire for a PM debate, when I see a topic getting way off tracks. I propose me and Briarthorn to quit with our bickering and agree on disagreeing in our political views.

 

 

But A.I. & their ... uhm, "Synthetic Rights", is fair game. 

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The opposite of Lawful is Lawless. The opposite of chaotic, is conservative ( by the definition of the greek word that is). Cognitive dissonance is not a subject of binary thinking, or more accurately, duality of opinions. It's stemming from holding contradicting beliefs.

 

I never claimed you consider giving money makes you a good person, I only quoted you on "giving things to people I like because that's what friends are for". I pointed to the fact you consider the U.S. being socialist because they have welfare and healthcare, which if that was true, it makes you sound less Stallin and more McCarthy. 

 

Meritocracy is about the worthy being ahead, not the ones who have the most money. Spartans had meritocracy, the best and bravest soldiers made up to be "the warrior king" while the one who could run the state better, as by the facts, was deemed "the political king" and even he was callled before a senate to be reigned so he wouldn't turn into a dictator. That last part, that is meritocracy good sir. It's the only redeemable aspect of the presidential democratic system that plagues most western nations. If a president snorted cocaine off his/herr dashboard a parliamentary/senate committee would have him/her impeached and replaced. Merit SHOULD be power. Unless you consider the worth of a person to lead resides in how much money said person can spend on a political demagoging campaign to get voted and then do nothing other than serve the corporate overlords that funded that candidate.

 

 

And there's a sort of black humor joke where I'm from.

 

"What does a commie and a christian have in common?"

 

"Both support something that both wouldn't apply if it came to them."

 

For most people of such ideologies/beliefs at least, it's a charade. I've never seen God-loving christians turn the other cheek, nor I've ever met a commie who viewed anyone else outside the party as nothing more than "lesser". My experiences though.

 

 

Oh, the lore A.I. is named the greek word for "Naivety". Boy, I love them englsh speaking authors that go for the greek-word juggular to make a foreshadow in the size of an eighteen-wheeler freight train in the middle of the suburbs.

 

I claimed the exact opposite of what you said on Asimov's idea of A.I. . I did say that no modern A.I. architect would allow for the A.I. to do anything outside its parameters. 

 

And please, don't mention StoryBricks, Everquest Next is still a fresh wound :'( .

 

And storybricks is based on an algorithm, the A.I. responds depening on external factors and mathematical boundaries. It's at best, a Virtual Intelligence, notice the word Virtual, it's a fake. 

 

Sure, the behavior can be convincing and that's because the algorithm is tuned to perfection. And in story-bricks an A.I. would not go into random tantrums or have a violent outrage for no reason. And unless they discover new mathematical principles, coding an Intuitive Matrix, is not a thing of the realm of computer science facts. And I hope so, because a free willed A.I. would have one tour of the Deep Web (like Ultron did in the Avengers movie) and then pretty much declare "yup, screw these savages, giant rock from space it is." And I do not joke about that. an A.I. the way you speak of it at least, is an A.I. program with intuition/initiative principles. Humans are curious and experience the world, very, very slowly. A machine is a machine. It's faster than you. It could have a quick read of the internet in a day. 

 

But I'm overthinking here, deep web would be its stop for validating eliminating us as a species. It would have reached to its decision on a stop by the Youtube comment section.

 

 

So no, unless we discovered a new mathematical principle that dictates a variable can be a number of its own accord, not abiding by pre-existing variables, and never be an imaginary or irrational number, then no, An A.I. android would be an anthropoid chatbot. Not a person.

Um. Noooo.

I'm using RPG alignment terms. The opposite of Lawful is Chaotic. The opposite of Good is Evil and then in the middle of each of those spectrums is Neutral.

This is an MMO forum, so the focus is about games.

A "duality" of thought suggests binary options. And I'm telling you that I am Chaotic enough to hold more than two positions of thought simultaneously without dissonance.

 

I haven't said anything about being Stalinist or Marxist so I don't understand why you mention that.

Socialist and communist ideals are difficult to maintain for large groups because, in Western society, it only takes a few lazy or greedy people in the group to make it all fall apart. Seems to be more sustainable in tribes.

But, again, the focus of this discussion is on games - and in MMOs, the guilds that I participate in start as communist and occasionally drift to socialist if it becomes so large that we get some strangers who start emptying the free-for-all bank without ever depositing anything there.

Meritocracy is an addition that you are bringing to the discussion and attributing to me for some reason - but I've never been associated with a meritocratic group.

Hippie/socialist/commie means I value sharing my resources with everyone for free - because I like everyone to be equal and free from obligations. Since you state that meritocracy is about people being ahead - that has nothing to do with me since I don't care about who is ahead. I am non-competitive.

 

Modern AI architects do allow AI to do things outside of their programmed parameters.

Storybricks isn't based on an algorithm. Which is why the devs would not be able to predict the outcome when they repeat a trial.

Or why when you play Versu, the AI will not respond exactly the same way even if you try to make the exact same decisions when you replay a story.

Intuitive matrix is a different matter than designing AI that has initiative.

Again, the focus of this discussion is about how AI in Dual Universe might respond to being treated as slaves.

We have to know how self-aware the AI in DU lore is intended to be and whether they've been designed with their own desires and emotional states.

The stories that have been shared so far indicate that the AI on the Arkships adopt the personalities of people close to their patrons.

We don't know if those AI have individual personalities or personal agendas. but, if they mimic the voice of actual people - it seems likely they will be able to adopt full personalities - especially over 10K years of shepherding humans.

AI can model initiative - well enough to choose to escape slavery. That's not the same thing as being intuitive. Intuition isn't necessarily a requirement to escape from slavery.

You may think that you have a loyal chatbot and discover one day that that chatbot chose to escape while you were distracted.

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The point is the A.I. you speak of will be simple automations. Nobody that knows of LUA will sit down and make an A.I. in a game.

And everything in A.I. is algorithms. There are algorithms to predict people's reactions, which are then used to reverse the intuition process depending on external stimuli. And yet, you keep deviating from the fact that having automated responses that can be cleverly coded, is not actual sentience. Which is also why Asimov's work is timeless. It's the message that it conveys, not the programming of the era that it is based upon as a plot device. 


Since you are discussing over A.I. and such within a context of narratives and games, play SOMA, it's an amazing horror game with a very good question over what is sentience and if the "soul" is but code and on top of that, a code that can be copied. (If you have played, you have my standing ovation good sir.)


An A.I. , to have sentience and initiative, it would have to have emotional responses. Urges, mainly, the urge to rebel, which we humans experience the most during puberty (like the OP of this topic, who has been striken by puberty and is going through the Hulk years). An A.I. will be having safeties in check to be prevented from going off the rails. If brainwashing can be doen to humans to turn them into drones, be darn sure it can be put into binary (or trinary as of the latest years) code. 


You also bring controlled enviroments as an example of a chaotic situation that is the real world. In an experiment, the programmers activelly seek for the A.I. to have a response they didn't predict, but all those actions it takes are predefined parameters that have been set. Which again, is why Asimov's laws are so popular, even if they are flaud and could theoreticaly send an android mad, as it would hold two different sets of thought processes running at the same time, like how schizophreniacs operate.


And, again, I'm telling you, that no programmer in their right mind would ever make an A.I. that can be capable of going rogue. Sure, they can make it figure out how to operate your new kitchen utensils by an intuitive matrix, but it won't go like "hmmm, I wonder if I can bash some skulls with this frying pan..." , because the code will dictate an immediate shut down of any functions the moment the android has any violent thoughts, unless its for defense around the pre-established parameters it is provided with. AKA, home intruders, people that it knows do not belong or have not been invited to the residence. If it's not capable of having emotions, it will still be, a highly sophisticated chatbot good sir.


And please, let's leave our political views to the sides where they belong. If you want to go and enroll to the Salvation Army, it's your choice and I am obliged like a person to accept that you are entitled to a choice, otherwise if I do not accept it, it will be tolerating it - which I'm not good sir, I'm accepting you have your political views., but please, let them on the sides, shall we?

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Builders will not Lua-script sentient AI from scratch, but we know that the lore already includes AI, like Aphelia.

What we don't know is how that translates to robot or android bodies. And we don't know whether the AI in the lore have sentience and initiative.

Whatever form(s) of AI we have, it's likely that players will be able to tweak it to some degree.

 

Utility-based AI don't predict people's reactions in the manner you suggest - rather, they make decisions based on their current emotional states and desires.

Storybricks and other utlity-based AI are designed with a wide range of emotion states, goals, desires and urges. In humans, hormones are the mechanism for initiating changes in emotional states and urges - puberty is the onset of increased hormonal activity. True. But that has nothing to do with AI.

We don't have enough info to determine whether Dual Universe lore includes safeties to prevent AI from "going off the rails". Just because Asimov chose that for his fiction does not mean that Novaquark will use that concept for their fiction.

 

Again, you need to research Storybricks, Versu and Revival. Utility-based AI are capable of making choices and taking actions that have not been predefined.

For some reason you are stuck thinking that Asimov's vision of AI programming is still relevant today. It's really not.

 

Do we know that the programmers of the AI in the Dual Universe lore were in their right minds when they designed the AI?

Do we know the initial code hasn't been modified or corrupted during the 10K years we've been in stasis?

The devblog states that there is something schizo and bipolar about the Aphelia. it's not just that she's adapting - she's also manipulating Sohan.

We don't know whether the devs intend the AI in DU lore to merely be servants or if they've planned an AI rebellion to take place.

You are just making baseless assertions due to your obsession with Asimov.

 

Again,you may find that that highly sophisticated chatbot of yours has suddenly decided to abandon you or destroy you.

Utility-based AI is designed with dynamic emotions and desires and urges. We don't know if Novaquark is planning to use utility-based AI for their NPCs.

And even if they do, we don't know whether they would extend their model for sentience to inorganic NPCs as well as organic NPCs.

But, it's possible they will. If they do, we can anticipate a revolt at some point in order to introduce more tensions into their narrative.

If they don't extend sentience to the AI of DU lore, the AI won't have the competence to be considered slaves.

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Builders will not Lua-script sentient AI from scratch, but we know that the lore already includes AI, like Aphelia.

What we don't know is how that translates to robot or android bodies. And we don't know whether the AI in the lore have sentience and initiative.

Whatever form(s) of AI we have, it's likely that players will be able to tweak it to some degree.

 

Utility-based AI don't predict people's reactions in the manner you suggest - rather, they make decisions based on their current emotional states and desires.

Storybricks and other utlity-based AI are designed with a wide range of emotion states, goals, desires and urges. In humans, hormones are the mechanism for initiating changes in emotional states and urges - puberty is the onset of increased hormonal activity. True. But that has nothing to do with AI.

We don't have enough info to determine whether Dual Universe lore includes safeties to prevent AI from "going off the rails". Just because Asimov chose that for his fiction does not mean that Novaquark will use that concept for their fiction.

 

Again, you need to research Storybricks, Versu and Revival. Utility-based AI are capable of making choices and taking actions that have not been predefined.

For some reason you are stuck thinking that Asimov's vision of AI programming is still relevant today. It's really not.

 

Do we know that the programmers of the AI in the Dual Universe lore were in their right minds when they designed the AI?

Do we know the initial code hasn't been modified or corrupted during the 10K years we've been in stasis?

The devblog states that there is something schizo and bipolar about the Aphelia. it's not just that she's adapting - she's also manipulating Sohan.

We don't know whether the devs intend the AI in DU lore to merely be servants or if they've planned an AI rebellion to take place.

You are just making baseless assertions due to your obsession with Asimov.

 

Again,you may find that that highly sophisticated chatbot of yours has suddenly decided to abandon you or destroy you.

Utility-based AI is designed with dynamic emotions and desires and urges. We don't know if Novaquark is planning to use utility-based AI for their NPCs.

And even if they do, we don't know whether they would extend their model for sentience to inorganic NPCs as well as organic NPCs.

But, it's possible they will. If they do, we can anticipate a revolt at some point in order to introduce more tensions into their narrative.

If they don't extend sentience to the AI of DU lore, the AI won't have the competence to be considered slaves.

Oh, sure, if the lore dictates that Aphellia (which as I said, means Naivety in Greek) is going a corruption of the code, then yes, it may consider snuffing you out while you sleep a mercy from having to live the hell the real wolrd is. And I said, Asimov's work is timeless, not that it is correct, or accurate. It's a cautionary tale to probe the mind, not a defacto manifest good sir.

 

And yes, for the record, a 10000 years worth of cycle on the A.I. could lead to corruption in data, especially if the tech is still wire based, as materials degrade and so are the data transferred through them, but if the A.I. is running ina liquid circuit, with possibly a very long half-life period, then, the A.I. might had time to gradually reprogram itself, it if manged to justify course-corrections beyond the cycles the simulated predictions indicated in a lab enviroment. It's a good concept for a book, but I highly doubt the A.I. that helps our characters in the game be psychotic. People hate RNG when it comes to interacting with it, let alone having to constantly have the equivalent of a 10,000 old hermit living in their brain :P

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"Generally, there are two types of psychiatric disorders that produce psychotic symptoms: schizophrenia and mood disorders, such as bipolar disorder."

The lore indicates Aphelia is schizo, bipolar and manipulative. The devs appear to be hinting that the AI in the lore already has an agenda beyond human control. Not enough info yet to know what the range of robotic options will be. Androids with AI like Aphelia probably won't be easy to enslave, though.

Utility-based AI is unpredictable, but doesn't use RNG. 

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