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With the slanted message of NQ regarding wipe or no wipe, I expect a wipe, just unsure/unclear on how bad it's going to be. Thus I'm making a list for how likely certain thing are going to be wiped. I'm not talking about what I would like to see, but what I expect from NQ. Maybe someone else has some interesting views on that:

 

From most likely to least likely:

Schematics

Quanta

Scans

Items in market storage

Items in container storage on constructs outside of Sanctuary

Constructs outside of Sanctuary

Items in container storage on constructs everywhere

Constructs everywhere

Blueprint Copies

Blueprint Originals

Talent Points

 

There could be some convoluted system in place where you could only take X amount of whatever into the full release, but I imagine that unlikely as that would need very specific systems in place and I do not think that NQ currently has the manpower to do that (well)...

 

Unless NQ drops some more specific information, I won't be grinding anymore quanta. With the quanta I have, I won't be spending it on Schematics (had just grinded enough to setup my first Warp Beacon factory). I will be buying a bunch of BPCs, move all the stuff in market storage to Sanctuary and move some of the other stuff in system to Sanctuary. Maybe build some additional ships, park them at sanctuary and distribute them evenly across my accounts. With the left over quanta, share across my accounts. I think I'll have been as risk averse as humanly possible doing all this.

 

When done, I'll be playing other games until it becomes clear what will happen, and even then I might not return as NQ has been extremely undependable regarding decisions that heavily impact the player base (scans is just one example of many).

 

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Imho, if you're a player that doesn't care one way or another, I'm happy for you that you will enjoy playing a game no matter what. I would love to be as an accepting person as you are!

 

If you want a wipe, I'm pretty sure you'll get your wish, I hope you're happy with yourself. If you actually get what you really wanted is a whole other matter entirely...

 

If you don't want a wipe, you're pretty fncked! 😉 It might not be as bad as a complete wipe, they might not take everything... If that's acceptable or not to you, is a personal matter.

 

Personally I do not want a wipe at all. And I can only comment here and on Discord to make my stance clear, as I only buy my year subscription from Markee Dragon these days and did that in November (12 months on all four accounts). So I cannot make a statement by cancelling my recurring subscription to make it clear to NQ that the current situation isn't acceptable. Not to mention that cancelling your subscription required you to jump through some hoops in some circumstances...

 

@NQ Shame on you on just making the situation worse (even more unclear), hours before the easter weekend! We've been asking for a clear decision for many months now, not making a clear statement (one way or the other) is just shameful!

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Like i said before i can life with it when i can get my Core / Blueprints back after a full wipe because there are the most of my Playtime in. ( i don´t need an magical Blueprint set because this would lead to one points of the contras some player would make boxes filled with element to sell them after the wipe)

 

The Talentpoints i would do like i said before if NQ willing to refund our Talentpoints don´t do it direct after the wipe delay that points by an timer up to 12 or 15 months that the new start will be really start from the beginning and the new players did not feel left behind others but like some other Players said before knowledge is power and if old players know what they are doing they will be fast back on top.

 

And all which still complaining it was always said there will be maybe a full wipe before release always said in some of the Dev Blog Videos its still in discussing and now they want to let us know that an full wipe or half wipe is still in discussion and want to share the info with us. 

 

And we all Accepted the Beta EULA by clicking Play Beta so stop complaining about if its coming we have to deal with it. So we all can tell our feelings about in this forum that they know what we thinking, and they can find their way how to release the Game after the Beta. This is still NQ´s game we paid for entering a Beta and not a Final Product and they have the full rights i copy this following text out of the EULA :

 

 

6. NOVAQUARK reserves the exclusive and final right to review, delete, block, modify, move or disable Generated Content for any reason whatsoever, after prior notice. Under French law, NOVAQUARK has the status of host within the meaning of article 6 of the Loi pour la Confiance dans l’Économie numérique du 21 juin 2004 (Act for trust in the digital economy of June 21, 2004) related to User-Generated Content.

 

 

Yes a full wipe would be hard for the community because of many players maybe left the game but perhaps its realy a chance for a fresh start for the game and getting new players. And think of it how many new names getting in the ingame chat last months and making a rage quit after they got killed by trying roid mining with the words that they don´t want to waste their time for that we need a lot more of PVE content in SafeZone like i said before too.

 

And they not have decided yet they want to discuss it with us whats we are feelings about so pls stop complaining.

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If a wipe, even a partial one without solving real technical problems is implemented with the release, i'm done with this game.

 

Broken promises means broken trust. I would'nt invest more time and effort in an untrustworthy game company.

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I wouldn't even express myself on the question wipe yes, wipe no and its possible modalities since when you switch from a trial version, even if for a fee (where surely in some paragraph on the conditions of use, EULA etc. it will be written that the producers reserve the right to proceed with the partial or total cancellation, as well as the interruption of the service in without notice or something similar) to a definitive version of the game the wipe is a must. who does not know these things or pretends not to know them, I wonder if all this time he has ever played an MMO in his life or has been a monk in some remote convent in the mountains. Having said that, there remains the problem of the dislocation of resources as a primary factor in the future development of the game, in the sense that if everything is simply reset, but the game does not make any changes, whoever owns the fruitful locations will rush back to take them, with or without the aid of territoty scanners. and therefore the current situation of poor playability for future new players will be repeated again and in the very first months of the game. Even changing the locations of the resources and then leaving them static in the modalities seen up to now, not changing much, will perhaps generate different masters of the game economy. a periodic dynamic spawn would solve the question, there are several applicable methods. Or, what by the way is not new, at least for me, this current version of the beta is just an old version of the game that will be in release, updated with the minimum necessary since there are paying players to whom, however, we must also give something. from time to time, but the official version could reserve major structural changes. We will see. But both in one case and in another the wipe is and remains a must. Every time it is always the same story, whoever has to lose threatens the abandonment of him, his relatives up to the fifth degree of friends, and of friends of friends, only to see them again and again playing in any condition SH will offer them .. ..because a game is chosen and you continue to play it not because there will be a wipe or not, but because you like and interest everything else is chatter. My preference Full wipe with maximum BPs saved.

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FR/EN
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NQ 

Il va falloir que vous preniez vos responsabilités maintenant et sans attendre une semaine de plus !

Le choix que vous allez prendre ne conviendra pas à pas mal de monde de toute façon et il faut vous attendre à perdre des joueurs et beaucoup plus suivant ce que allez décider (surtout le nettoyage total).

Dans votre réflexion n'oubliez pas les personnes qui ont crus en vous dès le début et ont apportés temps et argent pour que DUAL arrive au niveau ou il est.
Déposséder les créateurs serait la plus belle des bêtises !

Bonne chance...

 

NQ

You will have to take your responsibilities now and without waiting another week!

The choice you make will not suit a lot of people anyway and you can expect to lose players and many more depending on what you decide (especially the total cleaning).

In your thinking, don't forget the people who believed in you from the start and contributed time and money to bring DUAL to where it is.
To dispossess the creators would be the most beautiful of nonsense!

Good luck...

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I understand the need for the wipe, but you can't forget about the players that got you here. Its no one's fault but yours as far as getting new players in the game, as you could have advised more. We helped you build this game by adding content when you didn't. I.E. racing, casinos, etc.... even the youtubers helped create content. We should be compensated, let us at least keep our quanta, talent points, and some bp's. I think we deserve that at least. You can't just erase our last few years of hardwork, designs, and talents. 

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I can imagine it's hard to sell a wipe to the community and reading the lines about NQ's explanations it's clear that you are going for a wipe, there was no real debate, it was focused on arguing the wipe. Having reached this point i would like to add my opinion to this: Only a FULL WIPE is acceptable, nothing remains and block anything that is from the old game including blueprints and i don't know how you can manage this but it's not my job to know, so you figure it out, block all existing lua scripts from working. You are talking about resetting the economy, then it's not really fair to maintain anything from the old game

  • Delete all LUA with the possibility that it won't be copied over to the new game: WHY: Why some people spent they game-time making LUA for ships/PVP/industry/aso others spent they game-time mining. If resource like ore's will be deleted then LUA should be to!
  • Blueprint: same here, dont carry them over. While other are building ships and having they quanta from from selling ships others mined ore, why should they keep they blueprints and others will loose they ore ? (ore/industrie units/anything else) 
  • Any physically localized game asset (like ore, processed ores, elements, aso): You already stated that you want to wipe this
  • Quanta:  You already said that this to will be wiped to reset the economy.
  • SP: Skill points would certainly be wiped, as you said
  • Anything else that i have not mentioned: If it's a wipe it should be an FULL WIPE, everything, no one should have any advantage in carrying over they resource (LUA/Blueprint/Ore/Element/Quanta) to the new game, dont make exception and favorize some groups over the others 

 

My final thoughts are this. Why dont keep eveything and Discover a new solar system with new resources with alien currency instead of quanta, aso .... The reason that the game should be more appealing to new players stands for 2-4 week only. In that time all good spots on every planet will be claimed already... 

 

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5 hours ago, Vizeroy said:

I encourage everyone with paying accounts, to simply just cancel them all. That is the most effective way to truly show your discontent.

Some people, probably many, paid a year in advance. NQ should refund those who quit because of the wipe.

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2 hours ago, Corgan7 said:

Like i said before i can life with it when i can get my Core / Blueprints back after a full wipe because there are the most of my Playtime in. ( i don´t need an magical Blueprint set because this would lead to one points of the contras some player would make boxes filled with element to sell them after the wipe)

 

The Talentpoints i would do like i said before if NQ willing to refund our Talentpoints don´t do it direct after the wipe delay that points by an timer up to 12 or 15 months that the new start will be really start from the beginning and the new players did not feel left behind others but like some other Players said before knowledge is power and if old players know what they are doing they will be fast back on top.

 

And all which still complaining it was always said there will be maybe a full wipe before release always said in some of the Dev Blog Videos its still in discussing and now they want to let us know that an full wipe or half wipe is still in discussion and want to share the info with us. 

 

And we all Accepted the Beta EULA by clicking Play Beta so stop complaining about if its coming we have to deal with it. So we all can tell our feelings about in this forum that they know what we thinking, and they can find their way how to release the Game after the Beta. This is still NQ´s game we paid for entering a Beta and not a Final Product and they have the full rights i copy this following text out of the EULA :

 

 

6. NOVAQUARK reserves the exclusive and final right to review, delete, block, modify, move or disable Generated Content for any reason whatsoever, after prior notice. Under French law, NOVAQUARK has the status of host within the meaning of article 6 of the Loi pour la Confiance dans l’Économie numérique du 21 juin 2004 (Act for trust in the digital economy of June 21, 2004) related to User-Generated Content.

 

 

Yes a full wipe would be hard for the community because of many players maybe left the game but perhaps its realy a chance for a fresh start for the game and getting new players. And think of it how many new names getting in the ingame chat last months and making a rage quit after they got killed by trying roid mining with the words that they don´t want to waste their time for that we need a lot more of PVE content in SafeZone like i said before too.

 

And they not have decided yet they want to discuss it with us whats we are feelings about so pls stop complaining.

 

 

It would be unfair that you get your blueprint back and everyone else looses they assets like Ore/elements/mining setup aso.... 

 

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Well moved accounts to safe space and will no longer play daily until this is resolved

Decide soon so I can cancel my 8 accounts.

 

Thanks

 

GarthVader

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"A reset would be an opportunity to remove things that have been deemed very unpopular by the already existing community, such as the schematics"

 

are you joking after so mutch work to get the shematas ?

 

"The only way to remove them in a clean way without causing too many disturbances in the economy is clearly when the in-game economy has been just reset."

 

Ther will be "NO" total reset after beta start was told - are you still Joking ? Is it the first of April ?

 

"As you, our current experienced players, will have quite an advantage compared to the new players on many levels (game knowledge, talent points, wealth, constructs already owned), there's a need to make things a bit more balanced to give a fighting chance to the wave of new players that will join the Community later."

 

You know that i play that to be able top offer the new members a quicker start and now you take my work as a argument against me ?

 

"We also want to give all the players (new players as much as a big part of the early backers who have waited for the game to be in a fairly polished state) to have the opportunity of the right start."

 

I am Backer from first Alpha time, and you wanna give me a fresh strat after i gave you years of my lifetime ? Your jokes leave the border from sarcasam and make me angry on teh writer of this massage.

 

"In case of a wipe, finding a way for our veteran players to allow them to keep (or rebuild quickly) their favorite constructs, without creating any loophole for players to bypass the reset (and defeat the purpose of why it’s done)."

 

You write this in the full meaning for your Wipe pro view and want to fix us on this view, so on one side you dont wanna hurt us and throuw us back bun on other side you will do this....

 

I cant use BPs for building stuff back again cause in most cases the coses are buildet inside of eatch other and the correct placement if i woudl habve a BP would be not sovebla quest for placement so i woudl need to redesign buidl industries connect and so on and weeks of work would be destroyed.

 

"Some planets currently do not have the quality and polished state the Novaquark team wants to give them. We also have seen that a part of the Community has the same opinion on the topic, and this is why the dev team has been planning a revamp for the planets which haven’t received one already."

 

Grafical polishes can be done with Updates there is no really argument for a wipe in this but thx for thsi repeating nice to have ....

 

I ask myself what has happend with teh idea to make this game able to pay with ingame value for month of gameplay ? Didnt read mutch about this anymor since 2 years.... and now you wanna wipe - thx i need to rethink if you are worth of my time cause you are not holding what you told, in german culture this is called "lying"

And with organizations what openly lie i dont wanna spend weeks of my life supporting them.

 

" Doing no wipe at all."
Pros 
 Why just do a update ?!?
 I buildet stuff for newcommers so they can start more eassy and you wanna now destroy all my work and behaviors
Cons
 Updating is enough
 
and all aother kinds of your ideas just spread the lies in different aspects ..... you are liers and we know it now ....

thx for your stilll try to keep us playing but if you really wipe i will destroy any content of the 2K hours i at least spend in this game - i ask myself if your workers did so mutch hours in the last years for thsi game like the community did it for free and with their lifetime....

 

Thx to be so transparent but in the end you just wanna use time to change toe point of view in some players so they keep playing this and beliving it will be a better outcome...

Thought Novaquark is a better game design Company cause you started so well and had best suppoert experiance in last 20 years but in the end the decissionmakers are allways not teh once who play so they never are in it and can decide whatever they think it could be appropriate for the economy ... no other aspect is in thsi discussion - its just the easy way and its teh cheap way - so do it the cheap way and send a massage ...

 

Over and out

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This quite ill-considered and frankly one-sided towards wiping post by NQ has made it clear that NQ see a wipe as the “proper” way forward.  This has caused many subs to be stopped immediately and players to simply stop playing because it’s all going to be wiped anyway.

 

Two servers were never on the cards and even suggesting it is an insult on top of more insults. What of Thoramine? Is that considered another mistake by NQ to be removed just like the economy “mistakes” NQ let happen (like unchecked Aphelia missions) which has injected far more quanta into the system than a few minor exploits.

 

Regardless, the damage has been done. NQ should announce the final decision so that people can prepare for release (if they can) and if there is nothing to prepare, then expect  player counts to drop drastically until after release were a few will check in, see they still don’t like the game and quit again.

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14 minutes ago, Kurock said:

Regardless, the damage has been done. NQ should announce the final decision so that people can prepare for release (if they can) and if there is nothing to prepare, then expect  player counts to drop drastically until after release were a few will check in, see they still don’t like the game and quit again.

 

If you can read between the lines than NQ has already announced it's final decision, it will be a wipe for sure (unless community outrage is so huge that they have to backtrack) 
They are probably not announcing it officially so player base wont go down to zero before launch

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I would like to add that it is out of the question for me to return to mining the 6 million liters of each T1 and the almost 1 million of each T2 that it took me 18 months to acquire... 

 

Because it wouldn't be right to take them from me either.

 

Wipe will be équivalent to unsubscribe for me

 

 

 And concerning the quanta acquired with the missions you have the logs!!!!! so remove quanta from his missions if you wish

 

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23 hours ago, Shaman said:

I am all for a partial wipe where the economy is reset, quanta + talents are removed, but all elements on constructs are removed as well.

That way old players still have the honeycomb hulls of their constructs as a base for rebuilding everything.

As a builder and this is the one I would be most happy with, as replacing elements is far less painful than replacing honeycomb.

you never build industry buildings where teh core is just a dice hull but all connections between containers till endproduct is ready is hell of work and time ... thisnk you make it yourself to easy 

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42 minutes ago, Cyanyde said:

We should be compensated, let us at least keep our quanta, talent points, and some bp's. I think we deserve that at least. You can't just erase our last few years of handwork, designs, and talents. 

I agree, let me keep my Blueprints, Talents, Quanta and at least I can start again without starting on a empty tile hand mining. Remember some talent points like RECENTLY take months to complete couch "Mining Units", "Core Slots" to take that away and say ok let's start you back a ground zero is a cost to much to bear.

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4 hours ago, Muhadmananda said:

i personally stopped playing when this wipe discussion appeared and didn't log on since...waiting what you decide to see what i will do with it.

Yea, I have not logged in either because as soon as I did I looked around and say What am I doing, after playing everyday all day (no lifer) 8-10hr a day or more for almost 2 years and no to suddenly stop is very disappointing.

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I think you can avoid a wipe quite easily:

- Create a new Solarsystem - 75000 SU far away from Helios
- Add the new FTUE to this Solarsystem, on release new players can decicde in which Solarsystem they want to spawn.
- Add a longrange Warpbeacon/Jumpgates 3 Month after release to connect these both systems. The warping of assets would then be possible, but insanely expensive.
- Slowboating would take nearly a month with the new speed changes. This should ensure that veterans cannot immediately flood the market in the new solar system.

Pros:
- No wipe needed
- New players can enjoy a fresh world
- Give you a reason to implement solarsystems
- You can deploy new good looking planets without wiping something

 

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12 hours ago, Evoson said:

Full wipe would  be good . Just give beta players like 5 million talent points

Clearly you have not been playing the game long if you think I will accept 5 Million Skill Points compared to the amount I have accumulated over the past 2 years that not even a drop in the bucket. This sounds ridiculous and totally unacceptable.

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