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New Genesis and Legion have once again attempted to kill your game by Flaming and abusing any possible gameplay mechanic that would help new players access parts of the game. This is far from my first run in with these types of Players. For those of you who have forgotten Sybilly.....Story Time. 

 

There once was a Silly Billy boy names Sybilly. He lived a total trolly existence, and loved to trash talk "all chat" and flame the Developers with crude what ifs. One day, His furry fury turned towards the those he had once been, the Noobians. He set out about his antics, light heartedly it would seem, to build a wall around the starting zone. Keeping " the Trash ass Noobians" away from him. Now as we can see the obvious connection to and parody of American politics and I being the Liberal Troll hearted itch I am, I Quickly came to a solution. The Underground Novian Railroad. 

 

While the feat was large, and the counter operation was larger, he completed his task and we completed ours. The Sybily Wall and trench system could be navigated And/Or knocked down. A lot of my time was simply using it as a teaching moment on how to use tools in the game to navigate what this fool had done. And in my heart I thought  "Forgive them, they know not what they do." It was not content. It was not fun for many. but it was hilarious to few. Players played, Developers developed and time passed.  

 

I have come back to find this same bully dynamic in play and it honestly looks to me that  it is supported by the developers. I have seen verbal banter,  turn to name calling,  turn to one sided sanctioning in legions favor time after time. To be completely honest to me it looks like people are tired of oppression and are going to rage against it. This anger is all that the NQ seems to want to punish. To me this is Disappointing, we can stop the symptoms by solving the problems. 

 

This was going to be a mission response to the NG and Legion boy's Flaming my Posted missions but I decided against it. I have been  moved instead to put it here.  I am and always will be interested in getting New players to explore this Universe, and if necessary I will SMUGGLE the "Carebears" on to asteroids.

 

 I have always been Like minded to the Belters " The more you share, The more your bowl will be bountiful." It is currently impossible for me to share a verbal space with these humans who refuse to remove hostilities toward players of a game that have done nothing to wrong them, and simply wish to be cruel for its own sake.

 

Hugs and Kisses,

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Black text on a black background is a great evil to me...  (edit: thanks for fixing)

 

I don't know about this specific drama, but I do find it sad that there are issues with the community not being polite...for a "mature" community of mostly older gamers, there's a lot of childish behavior. 

 

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1 hour ago, blundertwink said:

I don't know about this specific drama, but I do find it sad that there are issues with the community not being polite...for a "mature" community of mostly older gamers, there's a lot of childish behavior. 

 

I'm not sure what is to be done other than stand up and verbalize and carry on. What will solve this?

 

 

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Every MMO has their fair share of those who just want to disrupt, see the world burn and "roleplay" the bully by frustrating every attempt by others to build something interesting and productive. There is nothing new here nor is it unexpected.

 

The problem for DU is that the game world is so empty and the population so low, that the few that choose to follow the above gameplay style are easily heard and seen which just plays into their sense of "winning" and "achieving". They are like the "Snuffed Out" version of DU, players who just want to break things and disrupt to the extent he game allows it. They are not breaking any rules but are, in my opinion, simply being annoying and frustrating while being obnoxious and generally asshats in game. I do not get the fun in what they do, but apparently, they are having a ball with it.

 

And no, they are also not the equivalent of CODE in EVE as they have no such code, they have no ruleset or do not operate from an actual roleplay origin like CODE does. They just do because they can, not because it serves any sort of purpose or comes from any sort of backstory.

 

Frankly, I just ignore them and move away from the DUscord whenever they have their little spat of banter as it will die down soon enough.

 

Their "high level" of visibility is just a sign of how weak the game is as far as population and evolution of gameplay, if DU ever gets to a better place, they will still be around but they become pretty much the edge cases of annoyance and easily avoided and ignored.

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Like always when I read a post from someone who only looks at his feet: it's nonsense.

Open your eyes on what the game is actually, what players got in SafeZone or with warp and what PVP players got in content. NG and Legion are not a problem, they create content for everyone, like each other PVP group. Without this, the game will lost all his interest and it's like wanted a full SZ game. We got too many ressources, all available in SZ, no relevant market loop with MU and without life lost in PVE.

NQ actually ~only patch PVP side with many nerfs, breaking all our tools for having fun, they work on it and the future patch was for them. Having ppl like you who cry for each unarmed kill when each player got a warning when they enter in PVP space and all this free ressources in SZ is lame. You can't every time force NQ to ruin our gameplay for your only pleasure and ask us for behind a good guys who accept it and say nothing.

Think about PVE AND PVP, try to find a solution for a cool interaction system, create mercenaries who can escort new players or claim a moon for help them (like Serenity does), put bounty on our face, setup beacons etc... Create something usefull like you did with Sybilly but don't ask NQ to cancel again and again everything we create when it's not what you want or accept our salty side against players like you.

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Just now, Skeletmaster said:

If NQ would give us more targets and a real objective, we would no longer have the time to shoot you down. Thats is the problem the only thing PvPers have are meaningless asteroids and pipes. And that needs to change!


Piracy is a necessary thing in itself, it gives meaning to the PVP area and forces players to play around it and not just take a pipe as an extension of the SZ.

It just needs to be something simple and accessible for new players/solo players and add content for large groups of PVP players (like Territory Warfare, SpaceMarkets etc...) with real interest to keep these positions.


But not to force PVP players to do just that and have to deal with large groups in order to be able to try out PVP and make it more accessible/attractive.


Killing players isn't a bad thing, I've killed lot of people and never had bad dm with them, Orbidity and many others can attest to that. There are excesses on all sides in terms of behavior, until recently we were insulted and compared to certain unsympathetic IRL event actors by players who did not like PVP. Just stop think DU is for only one side, DU is for both.

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2 hours ago, xoxWildcardxox said:

 

New Genesis and Legion have once again attempted to kill your game by Flaming and abusing any possible gameplay mechanic that would help new players access parts of the game. This is far from my first run in with these types of Players. For those of you who have forgotten Sybilly.....Story Time. 

 

There once was a Silly Billy boy names Sybilly. He lived a total trolly existence, and loved to trash talk "all chat" and flame the Developers with crude what ifs. One day, His furry fury turned towards the those he had once been, the Noobians. He set out about his antics, light heartedly it would seem, to build a wall around the starting zone. Keeping " the Trash ass Noobians" away from him. Now as we can see the obvious connection to and parody of American politics and I being the Liberal Troll hearted itch I am, I Quickly came to a solution. The Underground Novian Railroad. 

 

While the feat was large, and the counter operation was larger, he completed his task and we completed ours. The Sybily Wall and trench system could be navigated And/Or knocked down. A lot of my time was simply using it as a teaching moment on how to use tools in the game to navigate what this fool had done. And in my heart I thought  "Forgive them, they know not what they do." It was not content. It was not fun for many. but it was hilarious to few. Players played, Developers developed and time passed.  

 

I have come back to find this same bully dynamic in play and it honestly looks to me that  it is supported by the developers. I have seen verbal banter,  turn to name calling,  turn to one sided sanctioning in legions favor time after time. To be completely honest to me it looks like people are tired of oppression and are going to rage against it. This anger is all that the NQ seems to want to punish. To me this is Disappointing, we can stop the symptoms by solving the problems. 

 

This was going to be a mission response to the NG and Legion boy's Flaming my Posted missions but I decided against it. I have been  moved instead to put it here.  I am and always will be interested in getting New players to explore this Universe, and if necessary I will SMUGGLE the "Carebears" on to asteroids.

 

 I have always been Like minded to the Belters " The more you share, The more your bowl will be bountiful." It is currently impossible for me to share a verbal space with these humans who refuse to remove hostilities toward players of a game that have done nothing to wrong them, and simply wish to be cruel for its own sake.

 

Hugs and Kisses,

xoxWildcardxox

What did NG do to you Wildcard?

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30 minutes ago, Cobqlt said:

Like always when I read a post from someone who only looks at his feet: it's nonsense.

 

Like always start with insults and take screen shots when one responds. 

 

32 minutes ago, Cobqlt said:

Open your eyes on what the game is actually, what players got in SafeZone or with warp and what PVP players got in content. NG and Legion are not a problem, they create content for everyone, like each other PVP group. Without this, the game will lost all his interest and it's like wanted a full SZ game. We got too many ressources, all available in SZ, no relevant market loop with MU and without life lost in PVE. 

I don't think you took the time to read my post and understand, while the mission I put up was PVP related, I have no problem PVPing with you. Dead things should DIE.   This post is referring to consistent bullying behavior, followed by I cant believe you would say " insert Screen Shot". 

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11 minutes ago, i2eilly said:

What did NG do to you Wildcard?

To me personally,

They asked me to spy on friends and when I wouldn't they have taken personal information and allowed release of that information.  but that was years ago, the original reason I quit DU but we are not going to get into that now. I would like to point to attempts to undercut any attempt for movement towards cooperative gameplay.  

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A central theme in what I read here from "PVP players" really implies they signed up for a game that does not deliver on what they are looking for and now try to establish their importance to the game in some way.

 

I can certainly see the argument that NQ still has not clearly defined the game and what they envision for it at this stage, probably because they have no real clue themselves yet and are to busy trying to keep the company going.

 

While an important part of the game, DU is not about PVP, it is not created for PVP being a main driver in the game and it is not a PVP game as in PVP being the central focus/goal of the game. Trying to make it so only does pretty much what OP describes, groups trying to make everything "about PVP". The problem is not "carebears", it is not "the safezones". The problem is some groups trying to redifine the game to fit their narrative and in the process ignore or dismiss anything that doe snoit fit that image.

And no, the game will not become a PVP heaven once safezones around the outer planets go away as I fully expect NQ will create an environment and system in which the PVP aspect always is at a disadvantage and it will take  effort, organisation, manpower and strategy to be a successful agressor in TW and it will be massively easier to defend. 

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I'm also not here write an essay about the state of pvp, I'm here because you made a post accusing my org and my alliance, of "something"...I'm still not sure what....and it also looks like, you're editing your posts in real time? Thankfully we took some screenshots of the allegations you made, and then changed your mind about.

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5 minutes ago, Shadowspawn said:

I'm also not here write an essay about the state of pvp, I'm here because you made a post accusing my org and my alliance, of "something"...I'm still not sure what....and it also looks like, you're editing your posts in real time? Thankfully we took some screenshots of the allegations you made, and then changed your mind about.

Alright my dude. Talk to TMA he knows

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25 minutes ago, blazemonger said:

The problem is some groups trying to redifine the game to fit their narrative and in the process ignore or dismiss anything that doe snoit fit that image.


Problem related to PVP AND PVE groups. And actually we don't ask to delete all SZ or being able to kill each player who use warp or on an outer planet. We just ask for content when PVE players just ask for block even more our only avaible one.

As always, don't judge it with our side, try to check the global problem and what each player want and what frustration that create. Devs want a good PVP gameplay, they don't want to split both community too, but it's not actually ingame. That's the main problem on every drama.

 

37 minutes ago, xoxWildcardxox said:

Like always start with insults and take screen shots when one responds. 

 

I don't think you took the time to read my post and understand, while the mission I put up was PVP related, I have no problem PVPing with you. Dead things should DIE.   This post is referring to consistent bullying behavior, followed by I cant believe you would say " insert Screen Shot". 


No insults, but apparently you just wanna create a random drama against Legion/NG, I will not follow you for that. You are the perfect example of how players who hate PVP can go beyond the limits for try to make his remarks relevant.

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I am sure most people here are already aware of all this but to the newer players reading through, note there are differences between simple pvp banter, trolling, and harassment. Pvp banter is just the friendly back and forth conversations you get before and after fights. You are under no obligation to participate in pvp banter and can simply choose to not respond when engaged. If you do wish to chat and are relatively new to said banter, I recommend you start off with a "good fight" or "nice one" and let the other party know you are still learning. In the event the banter becomes unfriendly or someone is bothering you (aka trolling) in chat, blocking them is a very effective solution. In the event that someone's conduct rises to the harassment level, you can contact NQ support and submit a player abuse report. If you have questions about what constitutes harassment, I encourage you to read up on the official code of conduct or message one of the community moderators/managers.

 

Hope that helps.

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The problem doesn't appear to be so much that a bunch of pathetic bullies living in mommies basement are doing what they are doing, but more that NQ is not getting involved until someone returns the favor, effectively empowering the childish behavior by punishing those that stand up and call the BS exactly what it is. 

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Just because you can attack people in the pvp zone doesn’t mean you should in all cases. Just because I can gouge players on the markets doesn’t mean I should. If you stop and think for a second what the impact of your actions are on other players it should become obvious that some actions are detrimental to the health of the game and community. If we truly want the game and community to grow perhaps we should aim to create a healthy and vibrant community that new players are drawn to. Harassing other players and being childish, anti-social, or borderline sadistic because the game mechanics allow this to happen doesn’t make it okay. Even if it has become normalized.
 

Think about the long term effects of how you play the game and ask yourself: what if every player behaved the same way that I do? What kind of game would that be? And if the result is a healthy and positive experience then perhaps it’s a good way to play the game.

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