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I used to be able to play this game with very few technical problems. But now when I fly around I get lag which can be lethal in some cases.

 

I looked at the system requirements and the recommended RAM is now 16 GB and GTX 1080 (8 GB). I do have the 16 GB requirements fulfilled but my GPU seems a bit lacking (I have a 1660 which is only 6 GB.)

 

Do you think I should upgrade my computer for a better experience?

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56 minutes ago, aliensalmon said:

Do you think I should upgrade my computer for a better experience?

I would say that 16gb is dangerously near the limit. 

All ppl i know saw a big improvement in stability in upgrading to 32GB.

 

Having a NVME ssd is also a good upgrade if you dont have it already. 

 

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9 minutes ago, joaocordeiro said:

I would say that 16gb is dangerously near the limit. 

All ppl i know saw a big improvement in stability in upgrading to 32GB.

 

Having a NVME ssd is also a good upgrade if you dont have it already. 

 

Ah, thanks for info. Guess I'll get more RAM and that SSD then.

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1 hour ago, joaocordeiro said:

I would say that 16gb is dangerously near the limit. 

All ppl i know saw a big improvement in stability in upgrading to 32GB.

 

Having a NVME ssd is also a good upgrade if you dont have it already. 

 

I have only 8GB RAM, i have no fucking idea how i manage to run this game ?

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10 minutes ago, Shaman said:

I have only 8GB RAM, i have no fucking idea how i manage to run this game ?

I never said 32gb was a requirement. 

 

But with memory leaks all over the place, the memory usage will slowly increase. 

 

From my m8s experience, players with 16 or less were having crashes in a 3 hours interval.

While ppl with 32 or more were were able to play for 5 hours and usually had to restart the game duo to performance issues instead of crashing. 

 

Of couse that several other factors are involved in here. 

Other crap installed in your computer, like streaming, anti-virus, having 9999 tabs opened in Chrome... 

Gameplay style. Traveling to markets frequently, using surrogates to instantly load new planets. Or simply staying still in a empty place. 

Cache settings and speed. 

Page file settings. 

Internet speed and latency

 

All those things will influence performance and how often a game crashes. 

 

But having more ram will help. 

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1) SSD is a must

2) More than 16gb or ram would be great but 16 should be ok as other players also didnt have any problems and it was running fine.

3) Pagefile is useless ( it was meant for windows xp) me thinkees

4) Graphics card greatly improves gameplay ! The more memory the better but a lot expensive nowdays

5) Set CPU core use at 2 cores in settings (custom)

6) Market 6 loads a bit slow so dont count on that

 

Hope that helps...

 

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As @Habitant said above #1 is SSD.

 

You can get any current midrange Intel or AMD CPU with 6+ cores and that will be plenty for most games.

 

Let's just assume that you won't be squeezing blood from a stone and trying to get a GPU, but rather hang on to what you've got. Prices are in an unholy place right now.

If you can wait a little and have a poor IGPU (Integrated GPU on the chip) setup right now you might want to wait for the Ryzen 6700 (IIRC) which will come with VEGA 8 graphics built in... It's not a racehorse, but it should be better than current offerings.  You'll need an AM4 motherboard, obviously.


If you're not changing your CPU/GPU then at least these two things make the most sense regardless of your setup:
 

SATA or NVME SSD

2x16GB RAM

 

SSD:

I will NEVER buy a PC with application/OS storage on spinning rust (HDD) ever again again. Full Stop! Just don't punish yourself or your PC like that.

SSDs make a world of difference and can be well over x10 faster than HDD in some scenarios.

 

Don't fret if your motherboard doesn't come with a dedicated PCI (M2) NVME slot for an SSD. You will get 90%+ of the performance boost of SSD from merely replacing your SATA HDD with a SATA SSD and won't re that much difference moving up to PCI based solutions unless all your other components are top notch.
However, if you do have an M2 slot on your motherboard, there is little point getting a SATA SSD right now since the price difference is minimal.


Get a quality SSD with DRAM cache (i.e. not DRAMLESS) 512Gb seems the sweet spot for performance/durability vs price right now.  I always go with Samsung EVO and have never replaced even a single one yet since 2016.  But of course, YMMV.


RAM:


32GB of RAM or more will give you an all-round smoother performance and reduce wear and tear on your SSD due to swapping data off and on to the disk when RAM is full. (Make sure you get 2x16Gb to give you dual channel and to let you expand with another 2x16 down the line if ever needed for future proofing.)


Don't worry about super expensive overclocked RAM it makes at most only a few % difference to speed in some cases... just get any decent branded RAM like Patriot, Corsair or Crucial and at the stock speed recommended for your CPU.

FINAL, PRO TIP:


Despite all marketing claims, RGB DOES NOT actually boost performance of the attached component by 50% ?

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too bad it's absolutelly the worst time to buy SSD right now due to the bloody chia coin craze.

 

most worth-a-while SSD's  are either hopelessly sold out or selling for insane prices.

 

example: Corsair Force MP510 (nvme) 1.9TB drive  which until recently had very much one of the best  price/size/tbw/speed ratios

which i used to buy for about 240E a pop till late april, now sells for 440E... same situation with 1TB+ samsungs

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You say right now... but people are touting a minimum of 2023 and more likely 2025 before things get back to just where they were before the bitcoin craze. Basically wiping out half a decade of cost performance increases and reducing elasticity meaning that the consumer will suffer net loss.


Just a few weeks ago, someone on ebay sold 72 3060Tis for 84,000 USD only 3 days after they had been released for a cool single transaction profit of $40,000!
The photo showed him with at least 128 devices still wrapped on their pallet.

 

There is no way me or you will get our hands on them at RRP for the forseeable future.

 

Prices may never truly return now that China is getting involved in creating a nationally recognised currency that is designed to chew more and more disk space as it gets rarer. As the coin starts to become more difficult to mine, later iterations may require 100 x more storage space than currently, much like recent bitcoins require billions of times the calculation power that they did when I found some in 2005 with a Pentium C 1.8GHz. And unlike bitcoin, those disks capacity will be PERMANENTLY consumed to maintain the ledger, trading computational duress for capacity duress... As such, those disks will be filled at their transfer speed's limit until at maximum capacity and have to be kept online and idle from that point... forever.

Absolute nonsense.

 

Not only will graphics cards and hard disks become rare, but electricity, too:

 

Nearly 15% of China's ENTIRE Electricity supply is earmarked to be consumed by Crypto mining within the next couple of years... That's completely insane. Crypto could end up far more damaging to the environment than we could possibly have imagined.


China have said they are going to have to reassess their commitment to reducing energy consumption since this new demand was not recognised even a year ago.

 

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1 hour ago, GraXXoR said:

You say right now... but people are touting a minimum of 2023 and more likely 2025 before things get back to just where they were before the bitcoin craze. Basically wiping out half a decade of cost performance increases and reducing elasticity meaning that the consumer will suffer net loss.


Just a few weeks ago, someone on ebay sold 72 3060Tis for 84,000 USD only 3 days after they had been released for a cool single transaction profit of $40,000!
The photo showed him with at least 128 devices still wrapped on their pallet.

 

There is no way me or you will get our hands on them at RRP for the forseeable future.

 

Prices may never truly return now that China is getting involved in creating a nationally recognised currency that is designed to chew more and more disk space as it gets rarer. As the coin starts to become more difficult to mine, later iterations may require 100 x more storage space than currently, much like recent bitcoins require billions of times the calculation power that they did when I found some in 2005 with a Pentium C 1.8GHz. And unlike bitcoin, those disks capacity will be PERMANENTLY consumed to maintain the ledger, trading computational duress for capacity duress... As such, those disks will be filled at their transfer speed's limit until at maximum capacity and have to be kept online and idle from that point... forever.

Absolute nonsense.

 

Not only will graphics cards and hard disks become rare, but electricity, too:

 

Nearly 15% of China's ENTIRE Electricity supply is earmarked to be consumed by Crypto mining within the next couple of years... That's completely insane. Crypto could end up far more damaging to the environment than we could possibly have imagined.


China have said they are going to have to reassess their commitment to reducing energy consumption since this new demand was not recognised even a year ago.

 

 

 

 

That's why -> XRP. NO stupid mining and terawatts of energy consumption. A digital asset with actual real world use, and thousand times faster than Bitcoin & Co.

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3 minutes ago, sHuRuLuNi said:

 

 

 

That's why -> XRP. NO stupid mining and terawatts of energy consumption. A digital asset with actual real world use, and thousand times faster than Bitcoin & Co.

haven&t heard of that... what makes it rare, hence valuable?

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27 minutes ago, GraXXoR said:

haven&t heard of that... what makes it rare, hence valuable?

 

XRP is a Digital Asset which doesn't use PoW like Bitcoin and other crypto currencies. It uses a consensus protocol - and is already in use by hundreds of companies. It offers On Demand Liquidity for Payment Providers. It is scalable to even surpass the throughput of VISA (50k+ TPS). Each Transaction burns a little XRP, thus the asset is deflationary.
And as I said, from all "coins" out there - XRP is the only one with a real world use, being used right now by hundreds of companies - connected through RippleNet - from Payment Providers like Moneygram to Web Monetization (like Coil, or Cinnamon) where you can read or watch content and only pay for what you watch - without the need for annoying Ads.

Bitcoin is more like a Store of Value, because no one in his right mind would or could actually use Bitcoin in RL, say to pay for watching a Video, or buying a coffee -- because the Transaction Fees would surpass the actual value of the coffee itself.
It is the same with all other currencies - most of which are just iterations of Ethereum - and due to energy consumption, the Transaction fees are ridiculous - and of course the Graphic Cards prices are skyrocketing :)

 

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On 5/16/2021 at 10:08 AM, GraXXoR said:

I will NEVER buy a PC with application/OS storage on spinning rust (HDD) ever again again. Full Stop! Just don't punish yourself or your PC like that.

SSDs make a world of difference and can be well over x10 faster than HDD in some scenarios.

 

Without derailing too much from the original topic, there are still valid uses for spinning platter harddrives, and the choice is not just about classic harddrives offering larger sizes.

 

As far as speed goes, best (MLC) SATA SSD's  like 860pro are about 2-2.5times faster on reading/writing compared to HDDs in similar price bracket ( we're not talking all the budget Blues, Reds etc.)  But aside from Samsung, nobody makes SLC or MLC drives for consumer market anymore (in industrial/enterprise space they're still a thing), and when you look  TLC or QLC drives, which are the most common drives sold these days,  the write speed very much dives off the cliff  once the fast area of SSD is filled.

 

Most TLC and QLC drives have an area reserved that is treated by controller  as if it were a SLC cells to which data flows first once dram cache is filled and than later rewritted to final destination on drive.  But in large transfers, once both DRAM and fast area is filled mid transfer, the write speed dives off the cliff.   If you're transfering 20gb data you will initially see the 400-450mb/s at the beginning, but about half way thru you will see it drop (depending on controller and actual flash used) as low as 160mb/s.   And on writing side of things you can beat it quite easily with WD Gold ( formerly branded as Re) enterprise class drives, more so if you're running them in RAID10.  Granted, these are by no means cheap, are quite noisy and run quite hot.  

 

Having said that, when it comes to pure gaming rig, there's little reason to go with classic HDD, even as secondary drive for to offload porn collection to.  And even the crappiest SSD's like Crucial MX-500 or the whole Adata range will easily outlive the useful life of the system ( as long as it's reasonably sized).  And true enough with an old rigs from before the times when SSD's were afordable ( say 2-3rd gen Core times) it feels like getting a new PC.

 

 

Now for workstation/mixed use, HDDS are very much still a thing,  Especially if you're a coder working with larger repos where there's a large amout of small sequential writes happening all the time when debugging, profiling etc.

 

On PC a use for work, i have 2TB mvme for system volume and 2x 2TB (128MB cache) WD Re in Raid10 to store project files so i pretty much get the best of both worlds.

 

 

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Bitcoin can't scale - so it will never be a real, widely traded, currency. The ledger is a big issue and from the little reading I have done on it the system will struggle with TPS and might make 7 tps on a good day (Visanet by itself is on the thousands). Now there are claims of potential fixes for some of this but as it is a distributed system with multiple parties effectively unknown to each other this is unlikely to be trivial.

 

The other problem, of course, is that mining bitcoins just keeps getting harder and will always do so until you can't actually mine any more. The limit is 21 million. At that point who knows how it will operate as there will be no reward for validating transactions. It should get interesting. Something that becomes less affordable the more popular it is.

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No virtual currency will ever be the future unless a government sponsors it. 

 

No goverment will ever sponsor a virtual currency that they cant control. 

 

And you may think other wise but your thinking fails once you realize that new currencies can be created and adopted over the old ones. 

Making the old ones obsolete. 

 

So only a goverment backed currency will stand out against newer currencies. 

 

 

But that does not mean we cant invest in crypto. But its not an investment in the future. 

Its more like a casino bet. 

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That are my Spec's:

 

My Rig / My Spec's

 

With that spec's, I have still to turn every in-game graphical setting down to the lowest or turn them off altogether and then I'm still only getting 30-55fps, while doing the inside part of the 60 min tutorial, which is depressing and gives me motion sickness. That's with the CPU running @4800MGz and the GPU @Stock @1080p.

 

As the game is already in it's beta stage, it reminds me of the un-optimised mess called "Arma-3" and I ended-up un-installing DU.

 

Good Luck everyone, you will need it !

 

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1 hour ago, TONSCHUH said:

 

As the game is already in it's beta stage, it reminds me of the un-optimised mess called "Arma-3" and I ended-up un-installing DU.

 

 

?

 

Arma-3 was butter smooth compared to Universal Combat made by the one internet troll that shall not be named ?

 

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1 minute ago, Bazzy_505 said:

 

Arma-3 was butter smooth compared to Universal Combat made by the one internet troll that shall not be named ?

 

 

I supported Arma-3 right from the start and had hope at the beginning, that several hardware upgrades would fix the performance issues, but nope, that didn't change a thing, lol. ?

 

I have Arma-3 still installed, but didn't play it for several years.

 

I actually never came across UC, but a short read-up about it, doesn't draw a pretty picture about it, lol. ?

 

But hey, even Duke Nukem Forever was in a better shape, when it finally got released. 

 

DU even shows me, how much worse Cyberpunk 2077 and Star Citizen could be and don't forget the latest ED DLC disaster, which I luckily didn't buy yet !

 

It's a bit sad to be honest, because DU has had a great potential feature-wise, but "I think it's dead, Jim !". ?

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23 minutes ago, TONSCHUH said:

DU even shows me, how much worse Cyberpunk 2077 and Star Citizen could be and don't forget the latest ED DLC disaster, which I luckily didn't buy yet !

 

It's a bit sad to be honest, because DU has had a great potential feature-wise, but "I think it's dead, Jim !". ?

 

ED Odyssey is indeed a hot pile of mess, i have no idea how Braben plans to come back from.  It's certainly no buy for now, if ever

 

Quite frankly CP2077 was not technically as bad as reviews would have you believe, at least not on PC with RTX, in about 170hrs in put into it, i haven't had a single crash or quest bug ( luckily). My main problem was that CP isn't a very good game gameplay wise. I've put as many hours as i have into it to make sure i somehow didn't miss getting into the good part, sadly there wasn't such, but at 100% completion i was at least certain i didn't miss it.

 

As far DU goes, it might not be dead yet, but it is sure on life support.  And there are examples of games that came back from the brink.  Just remember how sadly  broken FFXIV or NMS were at release, and both are very much alive and great shape nowdays.  Even Battlecruiser 3000AD,  (another Derek Smart game)  which released in completely broken state managed to pull through in the end, even if it had to be done on D.S.  own unpaid time.  In many ways it's all about commitment to your project and your paying customers that decides what side of cliff it lands on the end.  And in case of DU, we should see either way before long. 

 

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