Space Bots (Market)

[RugesV]

These would be market places in PVP space. They would have a small safe zone around them. large enough to allow landing safely, But small enough to not allow a player to get up to speed or warp away from.  iE something like 2km safe zone, but a 50km warp disruption field. 

 

These locations would have bots that buy ore just like we have now on planets.  However the prices at these locations would be higher then what you get on planet. IE Bots might buy T1's at 50 or 75q per unit.  

 

This gets more ships flying in space. creating more opportunities for PVP. For those digging you spend less time digging and more time hualing.  This allows players to place buy order at above bot prices on planets and haul it to space to make money. 

[Shaman]

5 hours ago, RugesV said:

These would be market places in PVP space. They would have a small safe zone around them. large enough to allow landing safely, But small enough to not allow a player to get up to speed or warp away from.  iE something like 2km safe zone, but a 50km warp disruption field. 

 

These locations would have bots that buy ore just like we have now on planets.  However the prices at these locations would be higher then what you get on planet. IE Bots might buy T1's at 50 or 75q per unit.  

 

This gets more ships flying in space. creating more opportunities for PVP. For those digging you spend less time digging and more time hualing.  This allows players to place buy order at above bot prices on planets and haul it to space to make money. 

 

I mean, asteroid mining, gas clouds and space TW is coming out 'soon' so I don't know why there would be a need for another reason to get in space.

honestly, they probably wouldn't be that good anyway because people would just camp them 24/7 and you could never leave, plus the time, cost and risk of getting there in the first place wouldn't be that worth it.

 

In the future when there are player markets and space territories this might be possible for people to make one though.

[RugesV]

7 hours ago, Shaman said:

In the future when there are player markets and space territories this might be possible for people to make one though.

This has nothing to do with player markets.  Why would a player set up a market to buy ore higher then the bots are buying it on planets?  and why would they set it up in a PVP area? I dont think you understand the concept here.  

 

7 hours ago, Shaman said:

honestly, they probably wouldn't be that good anyway because people would just camp them 24/7 and you could never leave,

Exactly.  Pirates will camp it 24/7.  Anti pirates will camp them 24/7.  Organizations will have large sell ops with large flotillas  all going at the same time to counter pirates.  which will in turn bring orgs that hate those orgs  for even more space combat. 

 

8 hours ago, Shaman said:

cost and risk of getting there in the first place wouldn't be that worth it.

 Yea there is a balance problem in there somewhere. Maybe 2 or 3 times planet side value is not enough to be worth the risk. Because if you make it to low no one will use it, you make it to high  you can damage the economy.  Could even go as far as the price it on a dynamic scale. No one uses it and the price keeps going up each day, or each hour.  Eventually its going to get to a price where it becomes worth the risk. 

 

8 hours ago, Shaman said:

 

I mean, asteroid mining, gas clouds and space TW is coming out 'soon' so I don't know why there would be a need for another reason to get in space.

And yes space mining and space territories are coming.  Those alone are not going to be enough content. Not even space mining, space territories, and space markets are going to be enough.  Other things will also need to be added, 

 

The space market idea is just a way to break up the current situation. Which is players mine resources and then fly them 40km to the nearest market to sell them. No reason to fly them to another planet.  Unless your actually using them for production. And then  your only hauling higher tier ores because you can get the lower tier stuff on the planets your hauling in.  And the volume is so low and the price is so high on that stuff your just warping it from safe space to safe space.   No what this idea is suggesting, is the vast majority of oar that is mined, the vast majority of ore that is sold to bots. Instead of getting hauled 40km without fear of attack. Get hauled to a dangerous place for a greater reward. 

[Taelessael]

The bots hardly payed squat for mined material (2.5-ish for t1 as I recall). Currently though it looks like all the buy orders in the market (for the stuff I glanced at) are players placing buy orders.

 

Players paid more for stuff than bots for a while now because they were willing to pay to get material faster than mining it themselves, and because bots were intentionally set with terrible prices that players could easily out-do for anyone wanting to do business with them.

 

Camping will happen on any small valuable location in pvp space, avoiding the camps will involve playing smart with whatever is there (finding it first and doing what ya need before ya get found, hiring an escort, or setting up a distraction)... 

 

A constantly rising price on something risks quickly turning in to a blockade-event with a large faction fighting to hold as long as they can while their cargo-captain sits on the market with their finger on the sell button. Also, having bots out-bid players would probably just annoy a lot of people.

 

Missions and space-harvesting will certainly help things as long as they get implemented right, but it may take something quite a bit bigger to get people properly in to it all.

[RugesV]

Bots pay 23-25 quanta for T1's.  47-50 for T2's.  There is currently only 1 Buy order for a T1 from a player that is higher then the bots (26q for 26584 Bauxite on Lacobus 4).  There are allot of buy orders for less then what the bots are willing to pay.  And each market starts out with 4? of those bot buy orders in that range.  Its not until you get below 20 do player orders really start kicking in. 

 

The vast majority of ore that is sold on the market is to bots. And hate them as much as you like. but they are the only way to raise 600,000,000 to get schematics to setup some specific factory lines in a quick enough manner. 

 

If anything it is going to help the Sell order market.  I mean if the space bot is buying T1's at 100q for L. The org that is controlling the  space market can then  buy up all the ones at 20-50 quanta, and then haul it to space  for a good profit. 

 

Space camps and space blockades are a good thing. That means there is a reason to PVP.  Unlike the fake Feli blockades, which where players only doing it for an RP reason. 

[Physics]

Deep space black markets? I really like this idea ?  Its a basic concept that could lead to many other avenues. Black markets do not have to show on map till discovered. If NQ ever get wise enough to make the cargo on Aphelia hauling missions loot-able the pirates could try and run their ill gotten gains to sell the unique cargo to these black market bots. Additionally certain new schematics Rare shield emitter L can only be found in very limited quantities at the same deep space market.  

[Taelessael]

...Unless I missed a post by NQ somewhere, those 23-25q buy orders are from players, not bots. The system wasn't perfect right from launch, so there were things folks could do to collect some fairly large chunks of change. Some players (I repeat, some) do actually have that much money to throw around in buy orders.

 

The Black-market idea would be interesting, hiding things in shops that don't show up on the map in pvp-space... selling to them though would currently be a little silly given the lack of any kind of police/security/smuggling-related stuff at the regular markets, and NQ trying to keep most of the market stuff player-operated.

[CoyoteNZ]

On 5/10/2021 at 10:47 PM, Physics said:

Deep space black markets? I really like this idea

Make it so stuff looted from ships via PvP can only be sold in black markets. Then people can say I don’t support piracy and not buy from there, or they can go I’m here for profit, I’m going to support a black market to get a good deal!

 

16 hours ago, Taelessael said:

...Unless I missed a post by NQ somewhere, those 23-25q buy orders are from players, not bots

 

Sorry dude, you missed a post. The 23-25 T1 and the 47-50 T2 orders are bots.

 

If you see a smaller order in one of the outer planets which is slightly higher, than is normally a player who thinks if he gets his margins right he can transport the goods and resell them to a different market and make a slight profit.

[Taelessael]

On 5/12/2021 at 1:43 PM, CoyoteNZ said:

Sorry dude, you missed a post. The 23-25 T1 and the 47-50 T2 orders are bots.

 

If you see a smaller order in one of the outer planets which is slightly higher, than is normally a player who thinks if he gets his margins right he can transport the goods and resell them to a different market and make a slight profit.

 

 Would you care to link this post please? The wide assortment of quantities that are distinctly not the 2,000,000+ volumes that didn't change when you sold to them that made the bots most easily recognizable in the past seem to be lacking here.

[RugesV]

Those are bots