Saul Retav Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 There doesn't seem to be any practical way to create a secret in-game society. These look like my only options: I can create an org on the community website, but any org members would have there name displayed for everyone to see... not very secret. I could use a different platform to host and organize the org, but then advertising would be an inefficient pain. I'd love it if the devs would make the "members" tab (that displays everyone's names) optional. Until then, any ideas for hosting an org with anonymous members? Any support or criticism of having an optional "members" tab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATMLVE Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Seems pretty neat; being apart of a secret organization that has influence in some areas of the game has awesome appeal. There could even be actual conspiracy theories! My question is, would you leave a "secret" organization open to anyone in the first place? If you don't trust the members, then you don't know for sure that it's being kept secret; I mean of course you can't advertise a secret. Or is what you're trying to do really just make an organization with a public goal but where only you know who the members are? Vyz Ejstu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethys Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I may or may not know that there are already several groups at work in secrecy. If the DU community site don't give you the proper tools, just use your own (which you should have anyway, secret spai stuff..And stuff) Zamarus and Saul Retav 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamarus Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 If you are advertising for a secret org you are doing it wrong. I think advertising is a non-issue in this case. I mean, generally you want only selected trusted members in one. Vorengard and Wardion2000 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Retav Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Seems pretty neat; being apart of a secret organization that has influence in some areas of the game has awesome appeal. There could even be actual conspiracy theories! My question is, would you leave a "secret" organization open to anyone in the first place? If you don't trust the members, then you don't know for sure that it's being kept secret; I mean of course you can't advertise a secret. Or is what you're trying to do really just make an organization with a public goal but where only you know who the members are? A secret org with different tiers of membership could be open for anyone to join, noobs would just start on the lowest tier until they can prove themselves worthy, essentially functioning like any company does. The difference of course, is that a regular company doesn't have to hide identities from it's own employees; but that too could be facilitated with tiered management (noobs know nothing more than their assignments, managers only know who their managing, and so on.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorengard Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I could use a different platform to host and organize the org, but then advertising would be an inefficient pain. ... Do you... do you not understand how secret organizations work? Have you perhaps considered that the *best* way to make a secret society is to, in fact, not tell anyone? Maybe it's just me, but it seems that advertising, having designated mechanics, and posting about a secret on public forums are all really bad ways to have a secret society. Zamarus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaximander Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 You don't advertise you are the Illuminati. And if you do advertise that, the actual Illuminati will come knocking. Zamarus, Frankenstein and Wardion2000 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Retav Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Okay. I am not the Illuminati, obviously. I shouldn't have even mentioned secret societies (as that illicits preconceived notions of the purpose of my post).Let me word it differently: It would be great if orgs hosted on the community portal could choose to not display all of their member's names, right? That way it would be easier for people to be involved in controversial orgs without advertising their involvement. Disregarding the definition of a "secret society," this was the essence of my post: I'd love it if the devs would make the "members" tab (that displays everyone's names) optional. Until then, any ideas for hosting an org with anonymous members? Any support or criticism of having an optional "members" tab? Caprikel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardion2000 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Creating a thread to figure out how to recruit for a SECRET society on a public forum......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybrex Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Okay. I am not the Illuminati, obviously. I shouldn't have even mentioned secret societies (as that illicits preconceived notions of the purpose of my post). Let me word it differently: It would be great if orgs hosted on the community portal could choose to not display all of their member's names, right? That way it would be easier for people to be involved in controversial orgs without advertising their involvement. Disregarding the definition of a "secret society," this was the essence of my post: Much better. I agree with you on this point. It would be a nice feature to hide member names from the public record. Caprikel and Anaximander 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaximander Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 The real problem with this, is that hiding people would negate the possibility of a tag system with NRDS or NBSI policies.If you can hide what orgs you are in, you could hide fro mthe tag system, and that just makes the game a pain to code right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Void Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just saying, if an org has it's members list set to secret, I'm really going to take a closer look. The best way to have a secret organization is to: Not create an org. Just have a secret chat channel and an informal structure. You need to trust everyone for this to work. Operate through one or more front companies. Don't name your group "Black Mesa Mercs, Inc.", name it "Timmy's leet miniNg group12". No one will look twice at that. Better yet, have a bunch of orgs like that, each controlling a small section of your "real" org. Infiltrate existing organizations and make them work for you. Now, when it comes to orgs you don't want to be affiliated with, there are a different set of options. But, general rule of thumb: If you don't want to be affiliated with a group, you shouldn't join that group. When you join a group, you join their culture and their wars. You get their reputation, enemies, and friends. If you aren't okay with that then you really should not be joining. There are some legitimate reasons to not be affiliated with a group. Perhaps you are member of a "pirate" group who has a trader/hauler alt character for doing non-combat things, while you are a proud member with your main you don't want people shooting at your alt all the time. In such cases, your group could create a cover group for your alts. Name it something like "Teran Unions" and people won't realize the affiliation. Or, perhaps, you want to covertly support a group (maybe in a war), in which case do things informally, working with the group without actually formally joining. Lethys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorengard Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 The problem here is that if you hide the members list of orgs, but you don't hide the current employment of players in their profile, then you're not really accomplishing much. Sure, you've made it more difficult for people to find out who's in what orgs, but you haven't really made anything secret, you've just made a common service more difficult, to the benefit of only the very, very small number of players in secret organizations. A better solution, and one that doesn't require Dev resources, is that you just make your own website to run this org from. Heck, just a Discord server will do, and those are free. I get what you're thinking, but in reality this is an out of game problem with an out of game solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Retav Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 The problem here is that if you hide the members list of orgs, but you don't hide the current employment of players in their profile, then you're not really accomplishing much. Sure, you've made it more difficult for people to find out who's in what orgs, but you haven't really made anything secret, you've just made a common service more difficult, to the benefit of only the very, very small number of players in secret organizations. A better solution, and one that doesn't require Dev resources, is that you just make your own website to run this org from. Heck, just a Discord server will do, and those are free. I get what you're thinking, but in reality this is an out of game problem with an out of game solution. Yep, I agree. Bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veln Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Wouldn't the best way to have a secret organization be to not have any mechanics in the game for it?Just have your secret members join different organizations and not tell them about it, and then have everyone do very subtle things to help the secret organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Retav Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 Wouldn't the best way to have a secret organization be to not have any mechanics in the game for it? Just have your secret members join different organizations and not tell them about it, and then have everyone do very subtle things to help the secret organization. So it would seem. A job that I am obviously not cut out for. Veln 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 In response to the more recent posts, there is a relatively high(er) entry barrier or success threshold due to many factors - if you want a professional approach, that is. Hence, I would not bother if you can't bring a set of skills, people or a plan. In terms of just having members obscured, I would also recommend just not using the DU organizations or obscuring it. Anonymous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAtlasWarrior Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 You don't advertise you are the Illuminati. And if you do advertise that, the actual Illuminati will come knocking. haha, good one XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pang_Dread Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 So yeah you're asking how to use public channels to make your secret group.... How about just don't use public channels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSchiz Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Secret org .... you make outside of DU site duh ... lols .... well, I would guess .... if I was to do such a thing ... not saying I am or have ..... but if I did you wouldn't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 What would secret organizations do in Dual Universe? Be terrorists? Plan to take over all organizations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaximander Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 What would secret organizations do in Dual Universe? Be terrorists? Plan to take over all organizations? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChatterFreeze Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 There should be more private member options like in ogame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calewars Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 secret societys in DU? noooo https://discord.gg/G4A6Whd accepting new recruits for the illumanti! shhhhhhhhhh devu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calewars Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 What would secret organizations do in Dual Universe? Be terrorists? Plan to take over all organizations? Totally not me. or my chain of command. or anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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