Dhara Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 It's not about removing post counts altogether to me, it's about changing the Off Topic forum so that posts there don't add to your post count total. And if we're talking about "just about every forum", most game forums work in a similar fashion. They have off-topic boards and forum game boards that don't add to your post count total. Still the same question. Do you really think that "fiddling" with the post counts - in any way - will actually stop spam and non-constructive arguments from happening? If you think so, then why not just remove it - period- from ALL topics? Then we would ALL be equal in that regard. Fine by me either way. But, I'm not sure that would help whatever problems you have with the post counts. People are people. I think they will spam and argue and give bad advice or misquote devs for many other reasons - be it ignorance, boredom, personal issues with other posters, etc. What stats do we fiddle with to fix all of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GencyMex Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 But by doing so you would also take it away from the legit threads that are there to have an actual off topic purpose and not just to boost one's ego and postcount How are you taking away from legit threads by removing the additions to post count in off topic? The meaningful threads will still be meaningful in OT and you dont need to add to your post count for those, but there is a huge problem with people boosting their post count with an OT forum. In OT you are not adding to anything that deals with the reason that we are all here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atmosph3rik Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Yeah i don't think the ability to see your own or someone else's Post Count needs to be removed. The idea to me is that EVERYONE posting on the forums ALL THE TIME should be following the forums rules. If someone really needs to play the forum game, the only way to increase their post count should be by actually contributing to the forums. Here's the rules if people aren't familiar with them. https://board.dualthegame.com/index.php?/topic/8-forum-rules/ But if people really want to keep track of a number try keeping track of your Likes minus your Post Count. Anything else is EZmode. yamamushi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaximander Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Still the same question. Do you really think that "fiddling" with the post counts - in any way - will actually stop spam and non-constructive arguments from happening? If you think so, then why not just remove it - period- from ALL topics? Then we would ALL be equal in that regard. Fine by me either way. But, I'm not sure that would help whatever problems you have with the post counts. People are people. I think they will spam and argue and give bad advice or misquote devs for many other reasons - be it ignorance, boredom, personal issues with other posters, etc. What stats do we fiddle with to fix all of that? It's not like constructive arguements go anywhee to begin with. This thread is proof of that. Yama is talking about "bubble" threads, like "Last Post Wins" threads. Even I stay away from that thread, EVEN I. IIt should be a hint as of the problem with such post count bloating topics, as they serve no other purpose. One is closed, another pops up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GencyMex Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Still the same question. Do you really think that "fiddling" with the post counts - in any way - will actually stop spam and non-constructive arguments from happening? If you think so, then why not just remove it - period- from ALL topics? Then we would ALL be equal in that regard. Fine by me either way. But, I'm not sure that would help whatever problems you have with the post counts. People are people. I think they will spam and argue and give bad advice or misquote devs for many other reasons - be it ignorance, boredom, personal issues with other posters, etc. What stats do we fiddle with to fix all of that? For some reason people like to inflate their post counts to feel better about themselves or something like that, but it is a thing in forums. When you remove the method of getting more post counts in a non-contributive manner, the people that start/post in the threads that are on the border of breaking the rules and spamming the forums thus making people (that actually contribute) want to leave a community goes down significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhara Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Well, I still think that moderation is the only real solution to most of the issues brought up here. So as I have nothing else constructive to add - lest I be accused of post count harvesting - I'll leave it to you guys to sort out. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Void Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 In the interest of providing some hard data to debate, I have looked through the "Last Post Wins" and "King of the Hill" threads (the only two threads I saw that looked like they might be considered spammy). I ignored people who had only posted once, and came up with a list of 23 people who "actively" participate in "spam" threads. This is not to call anyone out, just to provide some info to the discussion. Data was collected shortly before I posted this. Percentage is the percentage of the user's total posts that have been made in spam threads. (Total Posts / Posts in Spam Thread = %) % of posts in Spam Threads Name Posts in Spam thread Total Posts --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 81.6% UnderhandedAerial 40 49 66.6% Mawbotch 6 9 30.7% Hades 20 65 25.0% Xeno 2 8 15.4% CommanderLouiz 4 26 15.3% Lord_Void 42 273 14.2% Trendane 2 14 12.5% maximpact 2 16 12.1% mrjacobean 14 116 10.0% HUB Universal 2 20 6.3% MrStarWars 9 141 5.9% Lethys 36 604 5.8% Kuritho 11 188 4.2% Lights 9 213 3.5% Kurock 8 229 3.1% Anonymous 7 222 3.0% Aetherios 22 724 2.0% DaSchiz 8 393 1.3% Atmosph3rik 2 149 1.2% Cybrex 10 782 1.1% Astrophil 5 436 .8% Leonis 4 458 .6% CaptainTwerkMotor 19 2802 Average: 14% Median: 5.9% Total Spam Posts By 23 Users: 284 Average post per User: 12.3 Total Posts in Spam Threads: 306 23 Users represent 92.8% of Spam Posts Total Posts in Community: 33447 Spam Posts make up 0.9% of Total Posts I hope people find this data useful. EDIT: Looks like the formatting got messed up a bit, but it's still readable so I'm not going to bother fixing it. Lights, Anasasi, ATMLVE and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Wow first person to include themselves in negative statistics, good job void, love non hypocrites Anaximander, Lord_Void and Novark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Void Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Wow first person to include themselves in negative statistics, good job void, love non hypocrites Yeah, I mean any way you look at it I'm in there. By number of "spam" posts I'm number one, but I have so many other posts that I know that's not my legacy. I'm happy knowing that 84.7% of my posts are "non-spam". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrademoco Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I don't think putting people's name up in that post is a good idea Void... It's basically name and shaming... No good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrademoco Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 edit double post is annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Void Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I don't think putting people's name up in that post is a good idea Void... It's basically name and shaming... No good It is not shaming, it is hard data that is relevant to this topic. I offered no opinions and only provided facts. It is all readily available data that anyone can access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethys Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Well it's fact. Just data which is obvious to anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilks Checkov Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Agree with (OP) - second the motion to remove post count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novark Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 In the interest of providing some hard data to debate, I have looked through the "Last Post Wins" and "King of the Hill" threads (the only two threads I saw that looked like they might be considered spammy). I ignored people who had only posted once, and came up with a list of 23 people who "actively" participate in "spam" threads. This is not to call anyone out, just to provide some info to the discussion. Data was collected shortly before I posted this. Percentage is the percentage of the user's total posts that have been made in spam threads. (Total Posts / Posts in Spam Thread = %) % of posts in Spam Threads Name Posts in Spam thread Total Posts --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 81.6% UnderhandedAerial 40 49 66.6% Mawbotch 6 9 30.7% Hades 20 65 25.0% Xeno 2 8 15.4% CommanderLouiz 4 26 15.3% Lord_Void 42 273 14.2% Trendane 2 14 12.5% maximpact 2 16 12.1% mrjacobean 14 116 10.0% HUB Universal 2 20 6.3% MrStarWars 9 141 5.9% Lethys 36 604 5.8% Kuritho 11 188 4.2% Lights 9 213 3.5% Kurock 8 229 3.1% Anonymous 7 222 3.0% Aetherios 22 724 2.0% DaSchiz 8 393 1.3% Atmosph3rik 2 149 1.2% Cybrex 10 782 1.1% Astrophil 5 436 .8% Leonis 4 458 .6% CaptainTwerkMotor 19 2802 Average: 14% Median: 5.9% Total Spam Posts By 23 Users: 284 Average post per User: 12.3 Total Posts in Spam Threads: 306 23 Users represent 92.8% of Spam Posts Total Posts in Community: 33447 Spam Posts make up 0.9% of Total Posts I hope people find this data useful. EDIT: Looks like the formatting got messed up a bit, but it's still readable so I'm not going to bother fixing it. As Lights said, including yourself into statistics ... My respect belongs to you, Void Lord_Void 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anasasi Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 In the interest of providing some hard data to debate, I have looked through the "Last Post Wins" and "King of the Hill" threads (the only two threads I saw that looked like they might be considered spammy). I ignored people who had only posted once, and came up with a list of 23 people who "actively" participate in "spam" threads. This is not to call anyone out, just to provide some info to the discussion. Data was collected shortly before I posted this. Percentage is the percentage of the user's total posts that have been made in spam threads. (Total Posts / Posts in Spam Thread = %) % of posts in Spam Threads Name Posts in Spam thread Total Posts --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 81.6% UnderhandedAerial 40 49 66.6% Mawbotch 6 9 30.7% Hades 20 65 25.0% Xeno 2 8 15.4% CommanderLouiz 4 26 15.3% Lord_Void 42 273 14.2% Trendane 2 14 12.5% maximpact 2 16 12.1% mrjacobean 14 116 10.0% HUB Universal 2 20 6.3% MrStarWars 9 141 5.9% Lethys 36 604 5.8% Kuritho 11 188 4.2% Lights 9 213 3.5% Kurock 8 229 3.1% Anonymous 7 222 3.0% Aetherios 22 724 2.0% DaSchiz 8 393 1.3% Atmosph3rik 2 149 1.2% Cybrex 10 782 1.1% Astrophil 5 436 .8% Leonis 4 458 .6% CaptainTwerkMotor 19 2802 Average: 14% Median: 5.9% Total Spam Posts By 23 Users: 284 Average post per User: 12.3 Total Posts in Spam Threads: 306 23 Users represent 92.8% of Spam Posts Total Posts in Community: 33447 Spam Posts make up 0.9% of Total Posts I hope people find this data useful. EDIT: Looks like the formatting got messed up a bit, but it's still readable so I'm not going to bother fixing it. It's important to note, while I agree that posts in 'Off Topic' shouldn't be counted, just in case people do just start spamming, prevention is the best method afterall. But, thanks to these lovely statistics we can see that only 0.9% of total posts are spam, if this were to bloat heavily, quickly, it would become an issue. More because it means that the forum is slowly being turned into mainly spam posts, but depending on the perpetrators, they could be using it to either look like a bigger community member or fuel some strange ego boost via post count. I don't know, sometimes it's just a thing that propagates, oddly. However! The notion that we have a like bar that gains likes as you do for quality posts is an idea that sounds good! The only issue with that currently is you can like your own posts, but I'm sure that's reasonably easy to resolve. That's just my two cents though. Nice stats, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Fargo Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 I do not care about post counts, but some people do. There will always be those who make posts just to increase their count, so it might be best to let them do it on those sort of topics. Comrademoco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnePercent Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I'm sure I'm going to get some flack for suggesting this, and the idea didn't completely come from me, but I think that the spammy threads taking over the Off Topic subforum only existing to boost post counts are somewhat inappropriate. Both an inappropriate use of the subforum and a somewhat exploitive way of artificially boosting post counts to try and add legitimacy to user profiles who otherwise aren't contributing in a constructive way elsewhere on the forums. However rather than amending the forum rules to simply ban those kinds of threads, I believe that posts in the Off Topic subforum should no longer count towards your overall post count. As someone pointed out on Discord, on other forums sections such as "Forum Games" and "Off Topic" don't count towards users total post counts. This would alleviate the issue of taking advantage of the Off Topic forum to artificially boost post counts. I don't base legitimacy or merit on a users post count. perhaps a system like the Frontier forums of elite dangerous where users can Rep another user? The more rep you have the higher green bars you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novark Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I don't base legitimacy or merit on a users post count. perhaps a system like the Frontier forums of elite dangerous where users can Rep another user? The more rep you have the higher green bars you have? Hiho OnePercent, I think we already have the system you mentioned, here we can "Like" other people post to express our appreciation to the poster But we don't have the green bars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSchiz Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 If you have 1000 posts and 2 likes then I would think that would show negatively on you really. I don't personally care about this at all. If people want to build a reputation here as being annoying posting worthless stuff then so be it. Just like my post here .. Anasasi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(1)(1)(1)(1)(1)(1)(1)(1).thumb.png.c773b1e39c1958ea50a83f6e35520029.png)
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now