Tnecniw

I am not really worried about large buildings NOT becomming a thing... and more worried about greifers 
 
Edited by Nyzaltar:
Foul language removed.

Novaquark's point of view regarding the definition of "Pay to Win" (and why the DACs aren't "Pay to Win") has already been clearly stated in this post.
 
 
If a thread isn't locked, it's not an implicit authorization to continue it ad vitam aeternam.
Many forum have in their forum chart a line "No Necroposting allowed", which basically forbid to revive a thread that has ended a few months ago.
Why? Because a thread might make sense in a context, and might talk about something completely outdated in the current situation, generating unecessary confusion in the community. True, Necroposting isn't mentioned in the DU Forum Chart, as it wasn't necessary until now. This might be updated.
 
You took many shortcuts while making comparisons between games but as Lethys, Tnecniw and CaptainTwerkmotor already answer in details to all your points, there is nothing to add on the topic (the point of view of both sides have been explained in length). As it's also a discussion that already happened in several topics on the forum, and questions raised here has been answered many times as well, this topic will now be locked.
 
Thank you for your understanding.
 
Best regards,
Nyzaltar.

Indeed, this is as much of a debate as debating if the Earth is round. Sure, there are people that believe the Earth is flat, but those people, we gonna leave behind when we colonise the galaxy.

1: Aaaaaaand? A subscription is, yes... quite alike a cellphone contract. but it is the most stable Pay model for a online game possible. 
 
2: The wow shop... (even if I dislike it quite heavily) is litterally as far from P2W as possible.
All the mounts and pets are cosmetic (except pet-battles, but honestly, nobody plays wow for PvP pet battles), the helmets (the three of them) are some of the most disliked transmog pieces in the game and don't even have stats, ONLY costmetic. and the 100 boost? THAT isn't P2W. It is P2C (Pay for convenience)
 
It is for those people that want to try a new class at max level (or level an alt to max level) but don't have the time that they are willing to spare on it, so they pay to get a character up high so they can do the interesting stuff. You won't win any PvP or PvE content easier because you do it, it is just for those willing to spend more money then time.
 
3: Wrooooooong, people constantly earn money to buy PLEX. Sadly have EVE (after about 12 years I think) implemented a "free" model. Where you are a alpha clone, but can't get the skills to fly the big ships and stuff... so you are basicly a grunt. But EVE didn't truly fail because of its model, but rather because of its difficulty curve and generally "grindy" gaming style. IT is REALLLY hard to start up in EVE, unless you find a good, newbie friendly CORP...
 
4: STO (Star Trek Online) is garbage. I am sorry, but as a new player trying it, it is pure shit. The graphics are ugly, the game is slow and clunky and much more.
 
Also, do you know WHY F2P models even works? It is based on a single concept in the game industry, WHALES.
 
WHales is what you call players who spend ENORMOUS amounts of money in the game, I am speaking tripple zeroes worth. Basicly THEY are the players that keep the game going, making sure you guys can play for free. Without them, POOF... a game goes up in smoke cause it don't earn enough money.
 
MMO's are SUUUUUPER expencive. They are the most expencive game type in the gaming industry, "F2P" isn't TRULY F2P... more like "Letting Someone Else Pay 2 Play" so "LSEP2P" 
 
5: F2P models are the LEAST worthwhile paying way of them all. It brings in a UNSURE amount of money and it is never 100% sure if they will get what they need each month, the reason it is "vastly more popular" now.. is because companies understand 1 thing.
 
People won't pay a subscription model, for a game they don't think is worth it. WoW, in all its glory, is the best MMORPG on the market (in pure content and player base) and when people start playing another MMORPG (that is like wow) they automatilcy think,
 
"huh, this game is great and all, but I could be playing WoW instead". IF the game isn't free, they have no reason to pay money to play that game, since they can play wow instead... BUT if it is free, then they can play the game on the side when they want, since it don't cost them money. You get the point?
 
The ONLY reason that wow has gotten as big as it has, is because of its subscription model, it has allowed it to gain a steady and safe income, with a clear way to plan and check their income (basicly they can look at their subscriber ammount and say ROUGHLY how much they will get by the next month) WHICH allows them to plan and produce content according to that.
 
They can take it slow, focusing on quality over quantity. Making grand things, while F2P games have to CONSTANTLY pump out loads of content and updates to keep the small, uninvested fanbase interested, so they don't leave for another F2P game. You follow me here?
 
THERE. You have gotten answers to everything.
 
DU is going to be SUB, and due to it honestly being unlike any other MMO out there at the moment, it could REALLY succeed.

I have explained this before and apparently have to explain this again.
 
a Sub game is the least likely to become P2W. the whole thing of P2W comes from the fact that developers need to get money, so they give something awesome and powerfull to give people more reasons to pay. 
 
Sub models don't do that because it is more likely that the game will have a steady income. So they don't need any P2W items and are most likely to be 100% fair.
 
And the reason for so many sub model games to fail and turn F2P? THAT is because they were all mimicing WoW. 90% of the sub games were based so heavily on wow that the people playing them, thought "huh, WoW is much better and is also a sub game why do I play this"
 
honestlty without its sub model I doupt wow would have gotten this far in its lifespan, same with EVE for that matter.

Is this gonna be a guild? :3 then I want to join *twinkling star eyes*

Give proof of that and they just didn't take inspiration?

Glass voxels are indeed a must... but yes, it is very impressive

Hmm, what would YOU like?
 
A Solid BZZT or a more of a... BWAP. Like what kind of sound would you like.

Good work soldiers. *Salute*

Good work soldiers. *Salute*

3... 2... 1... lets jam :3

We NEED to make sure more people notice and see the kickstarter.

We need to share it, spread it and talk about it wherever possible. There is only 16-15 days left and we need 140k more. (This is when I last checked, so it might be less needed whenever you read this)

I don't mean we should neccecarily pledge more. (I myself pledged Silver, early bird). we just need to get it to more people so more people that CAN pledge and WOULD be interested in the community notices it.

We NEED to make sure more people notice and see the kickstarter.

We need to share it, spread it and talk about it wherever possible. There is only 16-15 days left and we need 140k more. (This is when I last checked, so it might be less needed whenever you read this)

I don't mean we should neccecarily pledge more. (I myself pledged Silver, early bird). we just need to get it to more people so more people that CAN pledge and WOULD be interested in the community notices it.

We NEED to make sure more people notice and see the kickstarter.

We need to share it, spread it and talk about it wherever possible. There is only 16-15 days left and we need 140k more. (This is when I last checked, so it might be less needed whenever you read this)

I don't mean we should neccecarily pledge more. (I myself pledged Silver, early bird). we just need to get it to more people so more people that CAN pledge and WOULD be interested in the community notices it.

*the liutenant looks at the captain*
 
"But what is wrong with the digital newspaper? it is still the same thi..."
 
*the captain turns around angrily*
 
"IT IS NOT THE SAME THING! Trust me, after 50 years of reading newspaper, I know the diffrence!"
 
*He frowns* and it wasn't JUST the newspaper... my ship. He litterally BURRIED IT! I JUST BOUGHT THE SHIP TOO!
 
*the captain clearly hates this Scruggs"

"There is only ONE man who would DARE to give me raspberry!"

*clunk*

"LONESTAAAAR!"

(because I can)

"There is only ONE man who would DARE to give me raspberry!"

*clunk*

"LONESTAAAAR!"

*Shrugs* Can be hard to do that if you are new xD

ooh, I hope we can do that in the future :3

yes, millions of potential, salty teenagers who can't afford to pay, big deal
B2P? Not a viably option for a niche game, it simply wouldn't generate enough income.
F2P+Itemshop? This is a builder game, even a pure cosmetic cash shop would have a big influence on the game, so not really an option either.

I see your arguement on PLEX. I do worry on inflating the market if currency is universal, which is why many people advocate on an exchange system or for factions to have access in creating their own currency to keep track of their inflation. If the faction currency is implemented your worries and mine will be unwaranted good sir.

So, you mean to tell me that being a sniper that can shoot a guy from 3 kilometers away is something EVERYBODY can do, because apparently, everyone has been trained into handling a high-powered sniper rifle and everyone has gotten windage and bullet drop physics locked down right?
 
Like-wise, you seem to think that a sniper, because he knows his stuff when it comes to windage and bullet-drop and math involed with such things, he can go and become an architect out of the bat.
 
 
It's an MMO, not Skyrim mate. You can't be everything. And EVE is a point and click adventure with Zerg tactics. In EVE you move in a two dimensional space with graphics that make you believe you are in a 3D world.
 
 
And on the part about intuition. What's more intuitive than arrows? A child can understand how arrows work. That's how the skills trees become intuitive.

It was fine untill WoD came xD don't think that MoP was THAT bad xD