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New planets are a stopgap at best. If you think ore was found quickly up til now, imagine how quickly it will be found by groups who have already established fleets of scanning ships and efficient procedures. 
 
each subsequent planet will be owned in days. 
 
there needs to be a fundamental change in the overall game principle in order to support future growth / ingress of new players. 

Well, experienced that..from the other side. And you're right.. it's easy enough to 'dodge a gank' by just tapping or stay max 30 mins..and that's the exact reason why this gameplay was bad. There was no risk..you exactly knew whats coming.
What we will get now is real risk vs reward..where you might risk to stay longer..with the increasing risk of encounter a random patrol.

But i understand why you're pissed...you're used to a broken game mechanic that allowed pvpers to gank and controll 99% of pvp space resources from a gui list, and i assume you liked that a lot.
It can hurt getting something taken away..get over it and see it as what it is, a fix to improve the game..even if it comes very late

Because a crosshair on your ass as soon as you touch an asteroid is nowhere close to 'risk vs reward'.
That mechanic was purely designed to cater gankers with quick nobrainer prey..and it's good and healthy for the game that this crap will be gone soon.
 
Wan't to gank or controll all pvp space resources?..work for it..

Development forges ahead in Dual Universe. In update 1.2 (arriving on the 13th of December 2022), players will see new game systems and overhauls all about exploration, discovery, and salvaging.
 
 
THE TACTICAL MAP
 
Are you looking for a fight or trying to avoid one? Whatever your aims, we’re adding a new tool for you to navigate with more precision and awareness of the space around you. With integration into the piloting and gunner HUD, the Tactical Map allows you a clearer view of your surroundings and a better ability to interact with the map.
 
 

 
ASTEROID REWORK
 
Following frequently requested feedback, each asteroid now has an independent lifetime parameter that determines when it will despawn, meaning that asteroids will spawn randomly and despawn independently of any cycle based on their lifetime parameter. Players will see a constant spawning and despawning of asteroids in the game world.

The ‘Discovered Category’ is being removed. There will still be a timer to broadcast the discovery of an asteroid, allowing players to mine them before their location is moved from the ‘rumored’ list to the ‘broadcast’ list.
 
We’re also removing the tier information from undiscovered asteroids before their broadcast. Asteroid tier information is still revealed after the broadcast. However, this change will allow solo players and small groups a better chance to mine the high-tier asteroids they’ve invested in discovering.
 
SALVAGE OPERATIONS
 
Quanta floats out there, adrift in space, waiting to be claimed. Space recovery and reclamation have never been more profitable. Until now, Noveans would have to fly, hoping to stumble across wrecks, but that’s changing. We’re adding wrecks as ‘Abandoned Wreck’ items in the ‘Landmarks’ tab of the map. These are not pinpoint locations, however, and some searching is required to find the wrecks.
 
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We’re excited to bring you this next step in our development of Dual Universe. We have streams planned to show you the upcoming features of update 1.2, and we will have more information on update 1.3 soon. Let us know what you think of this update here, and thank you all for your continued support.

With the removal of calibration mining (exchanging calibration charges for ore by simply placing/calibrating/removing/placing...) my final org member is re-evaluating their commitment to the game.  They have (4) paid up accounts they run, and did calibration mining in order to mine enough Chromium (which the org has a territory with some on) to make the space fuel he needed to fuel his other efforts.  Those efforts include scanning over 400 tiles on Alioth without a single T2 hit and hundreds of scans on moons with the same result.  Bless him for the effort - I would not have that patience.
 
They are turned off by taxes on territories, not to mention extremely frustrated at territory scanning.  This is suppose to be a fun game, those numbers above can not be viewed by any sane person as "fun".
 
Personally, I dread my twice weekly "Calibrate day" when I blow at least 3 hours using my 3 accounts to calibrate our 65+ mining units.  That's just drudgery, which I do to pay for the territory taxes on the 15 territories involved, and to have cash left to pay for schematics.  
 
We are shifting efforts to our L core space station and hoping that Roid hunting will make for happier days.  But Roid hunting requires a block of time (say 3+ uninterrupted hours) for us both to be available, and that is not common.   Throw the risk of having our ship blown up because the two of us are in Roid tunnels, and, well... I just don't see it lasting.

A friend of ours landed on a tile with 5/h Limestone on day one... He then just scanned around and now has 13 tiles in total... The ones he isnt using he has locked down with his Alts as HQ tiles to prevent others from claiming them. 
 
Due to the snowballing income from a fixed 20M ℏ a week contract for 200kL of Limestone, he has never had to struggle with cash and is basically set for (the) life (of this game).
 
It seems like he is playing a completely different game to us, spending millions on schematics every day whenever he needs one... He just casually plays with not a care in the world whereas myself and my org mate who have played since alpha are constantly struggling for the next week's quanta to pay the taxes on our tiles.

Just think, he randomly landed on a T2 tile on day one, now pulls in over 1500L of Limestone an hour (or 150kℏ an hour value at current market rates) and thus his entire gaming experience since that day forth was completely different to 95% of the other players.
 
What an odd game this is to allow a certain subset of their players to basically do whatever they want FOREVER and endlessly, while other players can barely afford to enjoy themselves and end up leaving after a couple of fruitless months.
 
 

This post is sofar from reality that i cannot even start to comment this, but apparently you dont know about the cast and time sinks that are also in place and that the now scrapped mechanism was the only thing still keeping industry viable.

It’s simple. When NQ clearly states calibration mining is valid, then without prior notice change their minds (which is BS), they screw people out of weeks of TP training. Meta or not, there should be at least a partial refund of points. 

Just because it is an MMO, doesn't mean that everyone should magically HAVE to play with others. 
 
The game was always designed around the fact that a solo or small group will never be able to compete to larger groups or orgs (which is fine). However, in recent times, the facilitation and mechanics revolving around solo play meant that playing this way has become almost impossible to make any headway at all. A solo player should always be able to make progress albeit at a slower pace than larger more organised groups.
 
That is the problem. 
 
It's a personal choice to be a lone wolf even in an MMO game. Forcing the solo lone wolves into game mechanics such as PVP or into large orgs to be swallowed into their machine is a one way ticket to players leaving.

+1 please remove. It is an incredibly bad change. No point in 2L/h tiles. There are not enough T2/T3 tiles for everyone. The "sharing" of tiles between players was just killed.
The amount of calibration is already limited by charges/player and day.
Make more T2/T3 tiles
Make more asteroids.
There are SO MANY things you NQ can do to actually improve game quality and this thing you're trying to kill. It's called "fun".
 

+1 please remove. It is an incredibly bad change. No point in 2L/h tiles. There are not enough T2/T3 tiles for everyone. The "sharing" of tiles between players was just killed.
The amount of calibration is already limited by charges/player and day.
Make more T2/T3 tiles
Make more asteroids.
There are SO MANY things you NQ can do to actually improve game quality and this thing you're trying to kill. It's called "fun".
 

200-300 current players on Steam, most of the times. Yeah yeah there's players not on Steam (like myself) but let's not spin this. It's TERRIBLE. How long will it take for NQ to understand that you are NOT going to survive without incoming new players and that this price is not anywhere near a realistic monthly price?
I'm not even complaining, I still have 10 DACs left but.. come on! I want the game to survive.
Lower the price.
Give new members more to do. More missions.
NPC buy orders so that they can find their ground... without being forced to be drones in orgs. (I was going to write "big orgs" but with 200 ppl playing at the same time, "big" would be misleading). 
 
Please note that even the debate in this forums is starting to disappear. People are just giving up on you, NQ.
I say this with great sadness

As others have expressed, waiting 24 hours to calibrate a mining unit is a completely unnecessary and game-breaking change. What's the point of "trace" tiles now? Why even put tiles in the game with 2L/h?
Please do the right thing and reverse this change. There's no need for this
 
Edit: Alternatively, how about just giving all the T2/3 tiles equal amounts. The competition is over, just let us have some resources

This has serious alt mission running vibes where they said intended gameplay mechanic to later calling it an exploit and removing it.
 
What gives?
 
What's next? Changing where airbrakes need to go without warning?
 

 
 

I tried to have a discussion with people on DU Discord about this. It was like talking to six year olds...
 
 I asked, "where do the people who make things get their money from to buy ore and for their schematics?"
They said, "from selling things they don't use themselves to people who don't make things."
"And where does those people's money come from to buy the stuff?" I asked...
And they said, "from selling ore to people who make things..."
 
They literally couldn't comprehend the circular argument and the massive schematic (outgoing) faucet.

No wonder the world is in the current state it's in when people have no idea how simple maths works.

Quanta is created when certain activities are performed and is eventually consumed via taxes or element destruction. What happens in-between is largely dictated by players. The ore buy orders associated with the mining profession is currently one of the few direct quanta sources. However players that use this method alone are then left with nothing but quanta and in theory will then spend it on purchasing goods/services from other players. That player driven demand for goods and services is largely what makes the DU economy function. Yes, in theory the other professions (production, pvp, etc) could also be subsidized with specific bot buy and sell orders but doing so could take away some of that control from the playerbase and introduce a variety of other problems. The ultimate goal of an MMO is to encourage player interactions and so to avoid infringing on that I think any additional buy/sell orders beyond T1 ore needs to be introduced very carefully and made inferior to whatever player demand is at that present time. Ideally thou, it is not needed at all and that role gets directly filled by players specializing in said resource. 

I present you a new game  feature !
 
New 0.24  elevators !!
 

You sir must be corrected!!!!!
According to release notes that's  "Smooth erosion". So you are NOT polishing a turd, you are smoothly eroding it. Also, if it's not feeling like slow and smooth, just look down, fps will drop and you'll be able to contemplate the full beauty of smooth turd erosion.

ROFL
You Made my day, No You made my week.  Nonono You even made my whole Year
 
"Standing Ovation"
(in the back ground i can hear the brilliance of the song "We will Rock You" )

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What Sylva said. We're here to fight. We'll be here to fight you. All of you, preferably.
 
What about events etc that don't want to be disturbed? Do it in safe zones or maybe there's room for DU to create a third type of zone, where people can willingly PvP (or choose not to). But that's for another forum. Right here right now BOO will look for good fights wherever and whenever BOO believes good fights can happen.
 
Also I always wanted to try roasted ewok.
 

What Sylva said. We're here to fight. We'll be here to fight you. All of you, preferably.
 
What about events etc that don't want to be disturbed? Do it in safe zones or maybe there's room for DU to create a third type of zone, where people can willingly PvP (or choose not to). But that's for another forum. Right here right now BOO will look for good fights wherever and whenever BOO believes good fights can happen.
 
Also I always wanted to try roasted ewok.
 

What Sylva said. We're here to fight. We'll be here to fight you. All of you, preferably.
 
What about events etc that don't want to be disturbed? Do it in safe zones or maybe there's room for DU to create a third type of zone, where people can willingly PvP (or choose not to). But that's for another forum. Right here right now BOO will look for good fights wherever and whenever BOO believes good fights can happen.
 
Also I always wanted to try roasted ewok.
 

Oh yes. I can confirm it. I'll say it again for those in the back: BOO upper management decided to party crash when we heard that ATOM was being paid to field security for the event. The difference in wording you see can be summed up succinctly: Know thy audience. What you see are propaganda as much as anyone else's event listings. 
 
Demlock is my second in command. 
 
Hate us if you want to - that's your prerogative. We certainly don't expect anything less once there's full PvP available. 
 
We'll be waiting. 
 
We didn't sign up to be the good guys. You'll have to find those yourselves.