GrimReaper

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^ Ha, if there's someone who doesn't... they're crazy! It seems like most people want it done right though, rather than rush them to alpha. So that's good

No one said anything about printing monies, just that you have a digital log of your operational currency on your person. In order to alleviate the communication problems that arise otherwise. The whole quantum entanglement thing is a bit off topic, will create a separate discussion on that later. Quantum entanglement does not provide faster than light communication, it is impossible for there to be a particle change and then a communication. Unfortunately, I do have sources for such claims. Will provide them at a later date, when I create that discussion ^^ In short, my post will propose a few things since apparently, QE is currently set to impact: markets, currency, and the "death" mechanic. 1.) Markets - There should be a time dilation discrepancy between market A and market B. This would be based off of a simple equation that relates distance to communication time. A market terminal would receive updates based on the distance the other units are to the terminal. Hopefully this will be able to re-use the code that in place to update player data... if not, I imagine there will be some work involved. 2.) Currency - I pretty much went over all that in previous posts. 3.) Death - unfortunately, this creates a gap as to what they were planning. But perhaps something along the lines of: Emergency personnel recover your body, and bring you back to HQ to be repaired by some nano technology. Almost as unplausible as QE and QT... but, I will probably come up with something more definitive before I create the post ^^ Before you say that they can just use quantum teleportation... you would need one long ass fibre optic wire for that lol. Edit: I should clarify, I'm good with what they have at the moment... I don't really care if they falsify the extensions of QE and QT. However, I will give them an alternative... that creates a more interesting playthrough for traders and market predictions.

The risk you talk about is the trader's incompetency, not inherent risk. A trader worth his salt will avoid those situations. Just like a combatant worth his salt will avoid unconquerable areas. As for saying my "lore" is incorrect... communications aren't instantaneous over such large distances. The communication delay between mars and earth is somewhere near 21 minutes. Depending on the type, some communications can go down to 3 minutes I think. However, I imagine the communications would need to be secure. How then can the overall balance be tracked cross universe? As soon as you make a purchase on planet 1, it wouldn't update on planet 2. Money is stable, operational costs are not. Your bounty, and your bounty issuer would be safe. The only risk implemented is for what you use in your daily operations. Your money is safeguarded on some planet, digitally. You have to transfer that onto a terminal on hand in order to use at another location. If DACs drop, so should operational currency via hacking. Adding an entirely new level of emergent gameplay. Edit: Sorry for the apparent off topic discussion, but it seems to go hand in hand with DACs dropping. Considering DACs are practically a second set of currency, much more than any other commodity in game. Much like gold in the US during its infancy, and even in the current day.

It was the fifth of November. Doesn't seem that confusing ;P It's from the movie V for Vendetta if I recall correctly.

You act like the moment you die, you lose all your money. That wouldn't be the case, as far as I'm concerned. The thing is, for traders... there is very little risk vs. rewards. They carry half the reward all the time, whereas industrialists carry the full risk all the time. Just saying they don't add up ^^ How I want things to be: 1.) You carry operational currency, tied to a digital account. The rest sits in a bank back home, or wherever... someplace safe. The lore behind this is that, how would you keep track of how much money someone has from planet to planet? That communication would not be instantaneous. This means the player needs to have something on board to determine their balance, and to reduce fraud. 2.) An intruder can break into the bridge, or wherever this device is kept, and attempt to break into the terminal that holds all of their operational currency. For small operations, this would rarely happen... I mean, the chances that a small ship gets blown to smithereens is high. Thus no chance of losing your precious operational currency. The lore behind this, every ship has something akin to a blackbox that keeps log of the terminal access. It would make note of no changes to operational balance. 3.) . If the terminal is in tact, the ship must be powered. Once the original player's signature is off of the ship, a countdown should begin that slowly powers down the ship. Leaving a relatively small window to steal the operational currency. 4.) . The crew should have a chance to turn off the terminal, however, it should take a certain amount of time to shutdown. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Umm, just by going off of what you have given. Trader's have: 1.) . Funds (cannot be stolen) 2.) Marketing knowledge (cannot be stolen) 3.) Inside knowledge (cannot be stolen) Industrialists: 1.) Assets (can be taken by force) 2.) Blueprints (Usually can't be stolen, as they use them but if in commodity form they can be stolen right?) 3.) Material costs (can't really be stolen) I would go one step further and add 4.) Commodities to each. For the trader, it is what they physically bring from point a to point b. Which can obviously be stolen. The industrialist has commodities that they produce, which can be taken by force along with the assets. Now, with all this set on the table... being an industrialist is far more perilous than a trader. Most everything can be stolen, whereas trader's have very little risk. To be fair though, I don't see how any of this pertains to the question at hand. It really doesn't. As for a kill all society, I don't think that is what would play out. I'm personally under the impression, that if it's like any other PvP MMO I've played... there will be coalitions of organizations out to protect eachother's interests. As for the lonewolf (like myself) they will keep their active currency at a bear minimum, while creating as much fortitude as they can with their active (stealable) currency. Trusting in safe storages to keep the rest secure.

Agreed, for the most part. However, from my perspective progress can be seen through the skills you have leveled. Which is directly related to how long you have been playing. Of course, assets (including currency) play into progression if you safeguard them. Having lootable currency would mean a player would be "forced" to use a bank or some safe storage while keeping just enough on them for their operations. Perhaps, since the currency is indeed digital... an intruder could attempt to hack into your coffers somehow. Perhaps useable currency is linked to a digital account that can only be accessed through a terminal on your active ship. Or something of that matter. If the ship still had power, you could try and dig into that.

Seems like you can just turn DACs into digital coupons ala digital currency in the game. Weak argument is weak. I stand by my argument that if DACs are lost, so should currency. I also understand the argument that hoarding DACs is a lot like hoarding a commodity, so I do see where you're coming from. Just don't think it warrants being lootable on death. Ultimately, I don't see it being much of an issue either way. What's to stop someone from just hoarding their DACs in a safezone? Just don't see the point of lootable DACs is all ^^

If DACs are lootable, then so should regular currency.

I imagine it will be the more traditional WWII planes in space. Would love to be surprised, but it seems like it would be just too much for them to do anything otherwise. I mean, if they have to settle on a lock and fire system, and a system where the further you out you are the less updates you get... I imagine they will have to make sacrifices in the flight model as well. Like I said, would love to be wrong though

They're only adding a secondary funding option because so many people were asking for it. It was not originally planned. This is also probably why there is some silence, they're hard at working throwing together new packages whilst developing the game. They had investors lined up if they were successful on the campaign IIRC.

If you can spend the time to figure out how purchasing bananas work, you can find time to purchase a prepaid card. Takes like 30 seconds ^^ Another good method is to have a separate account setup for online transactions, with far more anti-fraud measures in place. Transaction limits, daily limits, not even sure what's all available these days. Most banks are also very good at righting fraudulent purchases. I can respect your decision, but I don't think it's a problem with KS at that point.

Huh, I've never understood this viewpoint. You can just use a prepaid debit card, with the specified amount for the singular purchase. Purchase-able at your local Wal-Mart, or any store for that matter. The only anti-KS I understand is from those who do not have cards supported by KS. I know a lot of people outside of the US have that problem. Although, I have to wonder if Visa, MC, and the lot offer prepaid cards in other countries, I've never tried to find out I guess.

Precisely, you can say it works fantastic... a perfect, flawless system. But the fact of the matter is there will probably be hiccups when they integrate everything to the live server. Wouldn't worry about it though.

Don't think so, early birds will not be available post-kickstarter. There may be a ruby pack similar to that of the Kickstarter, but it will not be the price of the early bird. I imagine there will be a few lifetime subs available, probably around how many were leftover from the KS. 30 backed at the 480 level, I think there were 400 available? 200? Can't remember. Plenty will be available, I imagine.

Suppose so, slowly learning

Precisely, it's just how it goes sometimes. Sorry for derailing your thread for a bit there We will have to see how it's handled, perhaps they will be able to get everyone in the first time around.

Eh sorry, heritage was showing through there... took it out for ya though. Happy m8? You can't even come up with a constructive argument. Your only argument is to come up with insults... strange isn't it? It's like your argument has no basis. Also, the whole "you can't be mad if you are wrong" thing confuses me. You are wrong, but it also seems like you are mad... considering how personal you are taking this. It's kind of funny really ^^ Come back to me when you have a counterpoint.

Just because they have a sporadic test, does not mean they won't limit the first test to a certain amount. It's a possibility, and I don't want people like you giving them flak if they have to take that route. Just watch the video alright? It's okay to be wrong. They haven't forked over the cash yet to test the integration of their networking with the servers they will be working with. I briefly sped through the video, it's referenced around the 3 minute mark briefly. I think the video talks about it more elsewhere. Figured you needed handholding to find the source. I swear I'm repeating myself. I don't know if you're just dense... or...

I still don't see how you're right on either account. They haven't stated how they will go about releasing the alpha to the public. A sporadic alpha is where they release the alpha to a certain subset for a duration, and then more later. No? That doesn't mean they won't release it in tiers to control server load. Especially during the early days. It's a possibility, and I don't want people giving them flak if they have to go down that road. And I was still right about the servers, reference the video. You can tell yourself whatever you want though, we can pretend if you'd like?

I was not referencing name reservations whatsoever, just that the alpha will probably be released in tiers. Perhaps on a first come first serve basis, ala the names... perhaps not. As for the second point, I guess that's your way of saying you were wrong?

Err since when was the "first come first served" phrase reserved for a specific roll-out for names? The phrase has nothing to do with the name reservations in this case. You do realize they haven't tested the game servers whatsoever? They've tested virtual instances, but that has nothing to do with the servers and networking. Testing on real servers is costly, and they haven't forked over the cash for that yet, and probably won't until just before the alpha launches. Source:

However, with all that said... we can't rule out the "first come first served" deal that will probably occur on the initial alpha launch. I imagine it will be a tiered roll-out for keys, first week 1,000 keys... second week another 1,000 etc. Perhaps not, but considering they haven't worked with the cloud server or w/e to the capacity that they will need for the public availability.... it's a possibility. Clarified: There will only be one alpha, but release will probably be tiered if it's like any other similar indie launch I've been a part of.

Agreed with Achronious, in game distances are completely arbitrary. 1,000 km in one game, may not seem like 1,000 km in another. What I hope for: I hope that firing distance is as far as the update syncs go, if that makes sense. So, until the construct is too far away to be updated regularly, you can shoot at it. I'm not sure how the lock-on system is going to work, and I have no idea if it's possible to miss a ship... but perhaps the projectiles can go even further than that point, it's just far, far less accurate. If possible of course, I'm not sure how the whole updating projectiles/constructs in relation to you work. It's just too hard to tell right now. It's a very valid question, but we need more information to go off of ^^