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DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CYNYpT9
PORTAL LINK: https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/tortuga
 
Tortuga City is a building project of immense proportions looking for builders and residents to join in this great undertaking. Tortuga aim’s to be a community created, neutral player hub for all players in Dual Universe. As Alpha/Beta are now underway, Tortuga’s evolution as a community and city will progress up through launch. We will be testing, making blueprints, and finding out what we really need to keep a city going strong.
 
At it’s heart, Tortuga is a city project for Dual Universe. Organization affiliations and agendas will play no part in the politics or development of this community hub.
Please read this statement about Project Tortuga from Cybrex, the Project Director for Tortuga: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-esur-s4sCeCwH3kDGlV90iz4JkHljSaTOLHaKz_FCk/edit?usp=sharing
 
WHY FOR YOU DU DIS??? 
 
Plenty of organizations have cities planned. Some of these are quite ambitious in scale and already quite advanced in planning. So why are we doing this?
 
Well, it turns out that a bunch of us from different organizations have a real world background; or work in; urban design, town planning, architecture, construction and geospatial (mapping) systems. 
 
And through the course of talking "shop", we realised that real towns and cities grow organically (while guided with zoning), and the idea of a single organization enforcing a certain architectural style or design thinking approach was a bit odd.
 
We wanted to make a place which, while based on some well thought out design rules and urban zoning, would have a feel of a free city, sprung up around trade, rather than a designed urban space (using a grid for instance) one sees with administrative cities such as Brasilia, Brasil, or Canberra, Australia. 
 
LOCATION?
 
In the best interest of developing a city long term, we want to place Tortuga in a safe zone. However, based on how little we know, we are not going to decide the location yet. We could build within the safe zone on the first starting planet, we could build on a floating asteroid in space, settle another planet in the starting solar system, or wait until build it in a completely different system.
 
This is what we plan to find during Alpha/Beta of Dual Universe. Finding out the best possible location that meets Tortuga’s needs.
 
HOW DO WE GET THERE?
 
For now, we have broken the development of Tortuga down into three basic phases. These stages of development will follow Dual Universe from the beginning of the Pre Alpha up until the final release.
 
Phase One: Theory discussion and brainstorming of possible starting points for building. Understanding how the build system works etc.
 
Phase Two: Deals with the actual planning and implementation of theories from Phase One. We will be piecing together Tortuga bit by bit as we finalize it’s layout. This will be a continuous process through Alpha/Beta until release.
 
Phase Three: Begins on the day Dual Universe officially launches. This is when we will be putting the city together in a live setting.
 
HOW TO GET INVOLVED?
 
Join our Discord! We have created a server for all interested in parties for Tortuga. This will also act as the main communication application for Tortuga even after release. Simply join the server, and state that you would like to get involved in the development of the project. If you just want to live in Tortuga, then that’s fine too, join anyway.
 
DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CYNYpT9
PORTAL LINK: https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/tortuga
 

I like this project, it looks like fun! I'll be happy to participate. Because of all the organizations, and the benefits if team play, I feel that players in general will be prone to huddle up with their orgs and work on their own projects, which can end up having negative consequences; I could be wrong of course. Nevertheless, having a neutral and mutually beneficial community like this is just the thing a game like Dual Universe needs in a populated area. 
 
Looking forward to it, I hope it becomes a success!

Hey, look at this thing we're doing. It's a pretty cool thing. 

DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CYNYpT9
PORTAL LINK: https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/tortuga
 
Tortuga City is a building project of immense proportions looking for builders and residents to join in this great undertaking. Tortuga aim’s to be a community created, neutral player hub for all players in Dual Universe. As Alpha/Beta are now underway, Tortuga’s evolution as a community and city will progress up through launch. We will be testing, making blueprints, and finding out what we really need to keep a city going strong.
 
At it’s heart, Tortuga is a city project for Dual Universe. Organization affiliations and agendas will play no part in the politics or development of this community hub.
Please read this statement about Project Tortuga from Cybrex, the Project Director for Tortuga: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-esur-s4sCeCwH3kDGlV90iz4JkHljSaTOLHaKz_FCk/edit?usp=sharing
 
WHY FOR YOU DU DIS??? 
 
Plenty of organizations have cities planned. Some of these are quite ambitious in scale and already quite advanced in planning. So why are we doing this?
 
Well, it turns out that a bunch of us from different organizations have a real world background; or work in; urban design, town planning, architecture, construction and geospatial (mapping) systems. 
 
And through the course of talking "shop", we realised that real towns and cities grow organically (while guided with zoning), and the idea of a single organization enforcing a certain architectural style or design thinking approach was a bit odd.
 
We wanted to make a place which, while based on some well thought out design rules and urban zoning, would have a feel of a free city, sprung up around trade, rather than a designed urban space (using a grid for instance) one sees with administrative cities such as Brasilia, Brasil, or Canberra, Australia. 
 
LOCATION?
 
In the best interest of developing a city long term, we want to place Tortuga in a safe zone. However, based on how little we know, we are not going to decide the location yet. We could build within the safe zone on the first starting planet, we could build on a floating asteroid in space, settle another planet in the starting solar system, or wait until build it in a completely different system.
 
This is what we plan to find during Alpha/Beta of Dual Universe. Finding out the best possible location that meets Tortuga’s needs.
 
HOW DO WE GET THERE?
 
For now, we have broken the development of Tortuga down into three basic phases. These stages of development will follow Dual Universe from the beginning of the Pre Alpha up until the final release.
 
Phase One: Theory discussion and brainstorming of possible starting points for building. Understanding how the build system works etc.
 
Phase Two: Deals with the actual planning and implementation of theories from Phase One. We will be piecing together Tortuga bit by bit as we finalize it’s layout. This will be a continuous process through Alpha/Beta until release.
 
Phase Three: Begins on the day Dual Universe officially launches. This is when we will be putting the city together in a live setting.
 
HOW TO GET INVOLVED?
 
Join our Discord! We have created a server for all interested in parties for Tortuga. This will also act as the main communication application for Tortuga even after release. Simply join the server, and state that you would like to get involved in the development of the project. If you just want to live in Tortuga, then that’s fine too, join anyway.
 
DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CYNYpT9
PORTAL LINK: https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/tortuga
 

DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CYNYpT9
PORTAL LINK: https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/tortuga
 
Tortuga City is a building project of immense proportions looking for builders and residents to join in this great undertaking. Tortuga aim’s to be a community created, neutral player hub for all players in Dual Universe. As Alpha/Beta are now underway, Tortuga’s evolution as a community and city will progress up through launch. We will be testing, making blueprints, and finding out what we really need to keep a city going strong.
 
At it’s heart, Tortuga is a city project for Dual Universe. Organization affiliations and agendas will play no part in the politics or development of this community hub.
Please read this statement about Project Tortuga from Cybrex, the Project Director for Tortuga: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-esur-s4sCeCwH3kDGlV90iz4JkHljSaTOLHaKz_FCk/edit?usp=sharing
 
WHY FOR YOU DU DIS??? 
 
Plenty of organizations have cities planned. Some of these are quite ambitious in scale and already quite advanced in planning. So why are we doing this?
 
Well, it turns out that a bunch of us from different organizations have a real world background; or work in; urban design, town planning, architecture, construction and geospatial (mapping) systems. 
 
And through the course of talking "shop", we realised that real towns and cities grow organically (while guided with zoning), and the idea of a single organization enforcing a certain architectural style or design thinking approach was a bit odd.
 
We wanted to make a place which, while based on some well thought out design rules and urban zoning, would have a feel of a free city, sprung up around trade, rather than a designed urban space (using a grid for instance) one sees with administrative cities such as Brasilia, Brasil, or Canberra, Australia. 
 
LOCATION?
 
In the best interest of developing a city long term, we want to place Tortuga in a safe zone. However, based on how little we know, we are not going to decide the location yet. We could build within the safe zone on the first starting planet, we could build on a floating asteroid in space, settle another planet in the starting solar system, or wait until build it in a completely different system.
 
This is what we plan to find during Alpha/Beta of Dual Universe. Finding out the best possible location that meets Tortuga’s needs.
 
HOW DO WE GET THERE?
 
For now, we have broken the development of Tortuga down into three basic phases. These stages of development will follow Dual Universe from the beginning of the Pre Alpha up until the final release.
 
Phase One: Theory discussion and brainstorming of possible starting points for building. Understanding how the build system works etc.
 
Phase Two: Deals with the actual planning and implementation of theories from Phase One. We will be piecing together Tortuga bit by bit as we finalize it’s layout. This will be a continuous process through Alpha/Beta until release.
 
Phase Three: Begins on the day Dual Universe officially launches. This is when we will be putting the city together in a live setting.
 
HOW TO GET INVOLVED?
 
Join our Discord! We have created a server for all interested in parties for Tortuga. This will also act as the main communication application for Tortuga even after release. Simply join the server, and state that you would like to get involved in the development of the project. If you just want to live in Tortuga, then that’s fine too, join anyway.
 
DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CYNYpT9
PORTAL LINK: https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/tortuga
 

DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CYNYpT9
PORTAL LINK: https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/tortuga
 
Tortuga City is a building project of immense proportions looking for builders and residents to join in this great undertaking. Tortuga aim’s to be a community created, neutral player hub for all players in Dual Universe. As Alpha/Beta are now underway, Tortuga’s evolution as a community and city will progress up through launch. We will be testing, making blueprints, and finding out what we really need to keep a city going strong.
 
At it’s heart, Tortuga is a city project for Dual Universe. Organization affiliations and agendas will play no part in the politics or development of this community hub.
Please read this statement about Project Tortuga from Cybrex, the Project Director for Tortuga: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-esur-s4sCeCwH3kDGlV90iz4JkHljSaTOLHaKz_FCk/edit?usp=sharing
 
WHY FOR YOU DU DIS??? 
 
Plenty of organizations have cities planned. Some of these are quite ambitious in scale and already quite advanced in planning. So why are we doing this?
 
Well, it turns out that a bunch of us from different organizations have a real world background; or work in; urban design, town planning, architecture, construction and geospatial (mapping) systems. 
 
And through the course of talking "shop", we realised that real towns and cities grow organically (while guided with zoning), and the idea of a single organization enforcing a certain architectural style or design thinking approach was a bit odd.
 
We wanted to make a place which, while based on some well thought out design rules and urban zoning, would have a feel of a free city, sprung up around trade, rather than a designed urban space (using a grid for instance) one sees with administrative cities such as Brasilia, Brasil, or Canberra, Australia. 
 
LOCATION?
 
In the best interest of developing a city long term, we want to place Tortuga in a safe zone. However, based on how little we know, we are not going to decide the location yet. We could build within the safe zone on the first starting planet, we could build on a floating asteroid in space, settle another planet in the starting solar system, or wait until build it in a completely different system.
 
This is what we plan to find during Alpha/Beta of Dual Universe. Finding out the best possible location that meets Tortuga’s needs.
 
HOW DO WE GET THERE?
 
For now, we have broken the development of Tortuga down into three basic phases. These stages of development will follow Dual Universe from the beginning of the Pre Alpha up until the final release.
 
Phase One: Theory discussion and brainstorming of possible starting points for building. Understanding how the build system works etc.
 
Phase Two: Deals with the actual planning and implementation of theories from Phase One. We will be piecing together Tortuga bit by bit as we finalize it’s layout. This will be a continuous process through Alpha/Beta until release.
 
Phase Three: Begins on the day Dual Universe officially launches. This is when we will be putting the city together in a live setting.
 
HOW TO GET INVOLVED?
 
Join our Discord! We have created a server for all interested in parties for Tortuga. This will also act as the main communication application for Tortuga even after release. Simply join the server, and state that you would like to get involved in the development of the project. If you just want to live in Tortuga, then that’s fine too, join anyway.
 
DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CYNYpT9
PORTAL LINK: https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/tortuga
 

DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CYNYpT9
PORTAL LINK: https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/tortuga
 
Tortuga City is a building project of immense proportions looking for builders and residents to join in this great undertaking. Tortuga aim’s to be a community created, neutral player hub for all players in Dual Universe. As Alpha/Beta are now underway, Tortuga’s evolution as a community and city will progress up through launch. We will be testing, making blueprints, and finding out what we really need to keep a city going strong.
 
At it’s heart, Tortuga is a city project for Dual Universe. Organization affiliations and agendas will play no part in the politics or development of this community hub.
Please read this statement about Project Tortuga from Cybrex, the Project Director for Tortuga: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-esur-s4sCeCwH3kDGlV90iz4JkHljSaTOLHaKz_FCk/edit?usp=sharing
 
WHY FOR YOU DU DIS??? 
 
Plenty of organizations have cities planned. Some of these are quite ambitious in scale and already quite advanced in planning. So why are we doing this?
 
Well, it turns out that a bunch of us from different organizations have a real world background; or work in; urban design, town planning, architecture, construction and geospatial (mapping) systems. 
 
And through the course of talking "shop", we realised that real towns and cities grow organically (while guided with zoning), and the idea of a single organization enforcing a certain architectural style or design thinking approach was a bit odd.
 
We wanted to make a place which, while based on some well thought out design rules and urban zoning, would have a feel of a free city, sprung up around trade, rather than a designed urban space (using a grid for instance) one sees with administrative cities such as Brasilia, Brasil, or Canberra, Australia. 
 
LOCATION?
 
In the best interest of developing a city long term, we want to place Tortuga in a safe zone. However, based on how little we know, we are not going to decide the location yet. We could build within the safe zone on the first starting planet, we could build on a floating asteroid in space, settle another planet in the starting solar system, or wait until build it in a completely different system.
 
This is what we plan to find during Alpha/Beta of Dual Universe. Finding out the best possible location that meets Tortuga’s needs.
 
HOW DO WE GET THERE?
 
For now, we have broken the development of Tortuga down into three basic phases. These stages of development will follow Dual Universe from the beginning of the Pre Alpha up until the final release.
 
Phase One: Theory discussion and brainstorming of possible starting points for building. Understanding how the build system works etc.
 
Phase Two: Deals with the actual planning and implementation of theories from Phase One. We will be piecing together Tortuga bit by bit as we finalize it’s layout. This will be a continuous process through Alpha/Beta until release.
 
Phase Three: Begins on the day Dual Universe officially launches. This is when we will be putting the city together in a live setting.
 
HOW TO GET INVOLVED?
 
Join our Discord! We have created a server for all interested in parties for Tortuga. This will also act as the main communication application for Tortuga even after release. Simply join the server, and state that you would like to get involved in the development of the project. If you just want to live in Tortuga, then that’s fine too, join anyway.
 
DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CYNYpT9
PORTAL LINK: https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/tortuga
 

DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CYNYpT9
PORTAL LINK: https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/tortuga
 
Tortuga City is a building project of immense proportions looking for builders and residents to join in this great undertaking. Tortuga aim’s to be a community created, neutral player hub for all players in Dual Universe. As Alpha/Beta are now underway, Tortuga’s evolution as a community and city will progress up through launch. We will be testing, making blueprints, and finding out what we really need to keep a city going strong.
 
At it’s heart, Tortuga is a city project for Dual Universe. Organization affiliations and agendas will play no part in the politics or development of this community hub.
Please read this statement about Project Tortuga from Cybrex, the Project Director for Tortuga: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-esur-s4sCeCwH3kDGlV90iz4JkHljSaTOLHaKz_FCk/edit?usp=sharing
 
WHY FOR YOU DU DIS??? 
 
Plenty of organizations have cities planned. Some of these are quite ambitious in scale and already quite advanced in planning. So why are we doing this?
 
Well, it turns out that a bunch of us from different organizations have a real world background; or work in; urban design, town planning, architecture, construction and geospatial (mapping) systems. 
 
And through the course of talking "shop", we realised that real towns and cities grow organically (while guided with zoning), and the idea of a single organization enforcing a certain architectural style or design thinking approach was a bit odd.
 
We wanted to make a place which, while based on some well thought out design rules and urban zoning, would have a feel of a free city, sprung up around trade, rather than a designed urban space (using a grid for instance) one sees with administrative cities such as Brasilia, Brasil, or Canberra, Australia. 
 
LOCATION?
 
In the best interest of developing a city long term, we want to place Tortuga in a safe zone. However, based on how little we know, we are not going to decide the location yet. We could build within the safe zone on the first starting planet, we could build on a floating asteroid in space, settle another planet in the starting solar system, or wait until build it in a completely different system.
 
This is what we plan to find during Alpha/Beta of Dual Universe. Finding out the best possible location that meets Tortuga’s needs.
 
HOW DO WE GET THERE?
 
For now, we have broken the development of Tortuga down into three basic phases. These stages of development will follow Dual Universe from the beginning of the Pre Alpha up until the final release.
 
Phase One: Theory discussion and brainstorming of possible starting points for building. Understanding how the build system works etc.
 
Phase Two: Deals with the actual planning and implementation of theories from Phase One. We will be piecing together Tortuga bit by bit as we finalize it’s layout. This will be a continuous process through Alpha/Beta until release.
 
Phase Three: Begins on the day Dual Universe officially launches. This is when we will be putting the city together in a live setting.
 
HOW TO GET INVOLVED?
 
Join our Discord! We have created a server for all interested in parties for Tortuga. This will also act as the main communication application for Tortuga even after release. Simply join the server, and state that you would like to get involved in the development of the project. If you just want to live in Tortuga, then that’s fine too, join anyway.
 
DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CYNYpT9
PORTAL LINK: https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/tortuga
 

Interesting discussion. 
10 is a small ships complement, but lets assume automation effeciencies means we can do away with crew and have officer/c-class roles.
 
Edit: RL/in game descriptions added.
 
1: Captain - makes decisions. Probably owns the ship.
2: Pilot - flies the ship around. Preferably well.
3: Navigator - monitors all radar, sets courses, does mappy stuff.
4: Signals (Comms) - monitors enemy comms, jamming, ecw, does friendly comms
5: Gunner 1 - pew pew
6: Gunner 2 - pew pew
6: Engineer/Mechanic - repairs / tuning
7: Quartermaster - cargo, decks inc moving things from A to B. Tractor beams
8: Weapons - reloads, flushing (overheat), torps etc
9: XO/Watch - watching everything, filtering key info to Cap.
10: Marine - pew pew in person, offensive/defensive.
 
All specialists in that perform a critical role rather then they are experts. In fact you probably will struggle with less than that because sharing roles gets risky.
 
And yes, if they are lucky, 99% of most crews job is watching screens. But you want them there for those 1% of the time - battle

While those 4 are canon, we would remind the community of a 5th path - Aetherians.
 
While the other 4 paradigms focused on how mankind would meet the destruction of Earth, and the human diaspora and the subsequent creation of a new society - Aetherians (of which the Aether is representative, but noting membership in the Aether is in no way a requirement for a given character to follow Aetherian thinking) are focused on the now and neutral pragmatism - we are concerned with the outcome, not the means, and in ensuring mankind will be around to have the luxury of one day deciding which of those 4 approaches will work.
 
Aether lore suggests that Aetherian philosophy was popular with cultures and groups on the fringes of society who did not have the luxury of thinking about life from a "first world problem" perspective and for whom life was short and violent - the independent Belters who we postulate would be come BOO, professional military outfits and cultures like Vanguard or the Anzaki for instance, or traditional international human rights and aid groups for whom fixing a problem now was more important than thinking about what might be.
 
If you aren't sure where your next meal is coming from, or even if you'll wake up tomorrow - you're unlikely to be debating the philosophical aspects of mankind's survival.
 
Just some thoughts. I promise I will write a lot more when I am in a better head space.

While those 4 are canon, we would remind the community of a 5th path - Aetherians.
 
While the other 4 paradigms focused on how mankind would meet the destruction of Earth, and the human diaspora and the subsequent creation of a new society - Aetherians (of which the Aether is representative, but noting membership in the Aether is in no way a requirement for a given character to follow Aetherian thinking) are focused on the now and neutral pragmatism - we are concerned with the outcome, not the means, and in ensuring mankind will be around to have the luxury of one day deciding which of those 4 approaches will work.
 
Aether lore suggests that Aetherian philosophy was popular with cultures and groups on the fringes of society who did not have the luxury of thinking about life from a "first world problem" perspective and for whom life was short and violent - the independent Belters who we postulate would be come BOO, professional military outfits and cultures like Vanguard or the Anzaki for instance, or traditional international human rights and aid groups for whom fixing a problem now was more important than thinking about what might be.
 
If you aren't sure where your next meal is coming from, or even if you'll wake up tomorrow - you're unlikely to be debating the philosophical aspects of mankind's survival.
 
Just some thoughts. I promise I will write a lot more when I am in a better head space.

Nice try with your "real science" and your "facts".


We all know Australia is a faux country made up to sell overpriced airplane tickets. 


Wake up sheeple, they actually fly you to Atlantis, not Australia.

We know of various cultures within Dual Universe that arrived within the last centuries of Earth. The Luminous, Alphas, Ethereans and the Emporium. Aside from this little tidbit of knowledge, not much else is known about them. While we await for Alpha to be released, why not have some fun and speculate. What drove these cultures to arise? Who would you side with. Maybe create some history for one of them. Each culture will have their own ups and downs and intricacies. I hope they're given a proper lore/background by NQ, and I'm looking forward to them being picked up by various organisations out there.
 
I re-found this while trawling through the lore double checking things for another project. And spent a few minutes creating potential emblems for each culture for fun. Feel free to touch them up as there are definitely better artists than me and I used my laptop+track pad. Or come up with better designs.

Hi guys, 
 
For your information, and following up our exchange with the JeuxOnline representative, the news has been updated on their website: 
http://www.jeuxonline.info/actualite/53082/novaquark-leve-3-7-millions-preparer-alpha-dual-universe-fin-annee-maj
 
Cheers, 
Nomad

Thanks for the info!

Hi everyone, 
 
On one hand, it's true that some words may have been indeed confusing in the press release from last week. 
On the other hand, seeing some community/press websites not just stating the facts but starting to make assumptions without attempting to contact the studio (to check or ask for clarification) causes unnecessary troubles. It doesn't seem to be of any concern for the said websites but this is how the world works nowadays and we have to deal with it.
 
Update 14/08/2017 6.30 pm (Paris hour):
A JeuxOnline representative just contacted us to have some clarification about the unclear statement in the Press Release so the confusion should be cleared up soon.
 
So to be clear:
We still plan to give to Gold Founder backers (and above) and the ATV group access to our most recent stable version of the game (which will be - of course - still work in progress and far from being feature complete) at the end of September 2017. 
 
We apologize for the confusion that this Press Release may have generated among the community.
 
P.S: the delivery date on the Kickstarter page has never changed (and can't be changed once a Kickstarter campaign is finished). December 2018 has always referred to the Official Release and the physical reward delivery. It has never referred to the Alpha release.
 
Best Regards,
Nyzaltar.

I am proud to announce that Vanguard has joined BOO (Band of Outlaws). as of the 6th of July (Yes, I know I'm late.) We will remain whole as a mercenary organization within them and plan to stay true to any deal or contracts we’ve made. With this new change we will also be changing what we require of new recruits.
 
Joining BOO opens many doors for us as a group. In return we are helping BOO get their SIG (Special Interests Groups) program up and running by being the first group to participate in it. Being a SIG does not make us a vassal of their group but instead fully integrates us and gives each of our members access to the same programs, resources, and utilities as any other BOO member. We will not accept any contracts targeting BOO members but otherwise we will still take on any other acceptable type of contract.
 
With that said, we hope to pick back up recruitment and welcome many new members into our tight-knit family. With Alpha fast approaching (but not fast enough) people are slowly emerging from hibernation and activity is picking back up.
We hope to see as many of you in the DU as possible. 
 
See you on the other side o7
~Dark

I read what you wrote

English (Translator used)
 
Hello Anonymous,
First thank you for the translation (it is understandable).

Yes you are right there are always possibilities,
The intensification of the organizations does create conflicts, not nationality. Anyone who wants to play robbers and killers (at sea and in space, also known as a pirate) can be badly persuaded by diplomatic means (even if there are "diplomats"). But the organizations that are willing to form a new ideal society will find ways to settle these conflicts on the diplomatic path.
 
 
German (orginal)
 
Hallo Anonymous,
ersteinmal vielen Dank für die Übersetzung (sie ist verständlich).
 
Ja Du hast Recht es gibt immer Möglichkeiten,
die Intension der Organisationen erzeugt die Konflikte, nicht die Nationalität. Wer Räuber und Mörder spielen möchte (zur See und im Weltraum, auch Pirat genannt), kann man mit diplomatischen Mitteln schlecht überzeugen, dass zu lassen (auch wenn es dort "Diplomaten" gibt). Aber die Organisationen, die bereit sind eine neue ideale Gesellschaft zu formen, werden Wege finden diese Konflikte auf diplomatischen Weg zu schlichten.
 
 
mfG Die Waldfee
 

Twerk is spot on, albeit verbose.
 
That said:
 
What if (a) Germany had continued in DU alt history to be really super green/environment focused. How would they act in a virgin world suddenly beset by resource hungary colonists... 
 
What if (b) Germany had returned to an Hanseatic League state and so represented the ultra-modern trading company conglomerate which represented dynastic family companies... 
 
Assume they did, as a culture, learn from the past. These two possibilities are likely assuming they continued upon a path of "going with what has worked". 
 
Alternative path 3 - Germany effectively re-establishes the old borders of the Holy Roman Empire under an EU banner - also quite possible given the leading role they currently have in Europe, and would allow for the old Elector system as an interesting option.
 
Or a mix of those perhaps.
 
There are always options ?
 
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Entschuldigung für mein Deutsch.
 
Twerk ist  korrekt, wenn auch verbose.  
Das gesagt:
 
Was wäre, wenn (a) Deutschland in DU alt Geschichte fortgesetzt wurde, um wirklich super grün / umweltorientiert zu sein. Wie würden sie in einer jungfräulichen Welt handeln, die plötzlich von Ressourcenkolonisten besetzt ist ...
 
Was wäre, wenn (b) Deutschland in einen Hanse-Staat zurückgekehrt war und so das hochmoderne Handelsunternehmenskonglomerat repräsentierte, das dynastische Familienunternehmen repräsentierte ...
 
Angenommen, sie haben als Kultur aus der Vergangenheit gelernt. Diese beiden Möglichkeiten sind wahrscheinlich vorausgesetzt, dass sie auf einem Weg des "Gehen mit dem, was gearbeitet hat" fortgesetzt wird.
 
Alternativer Weg 3 - Deutschland stellt die alten Grenzen des Heiligen Römischen Reiches unter einem EU-Banner effektiv wieder her - auch durch die führende Rolle, die sie derzeit in Europa haben, und das alte Kurfürtensystem als interessante Option zu ermöglichen.
 
Oder eine Mischung aus denen vielleicht.
 
Es gibt immer Optionen ?
 

 

Thanks for the concerns so far.
 
Perhaps I should recap to possibly take away some fears; I did intend to overhaul the first post regardless.
 
I wouldn't actually put emphasis on the whole WW1 part, I feel it might have been perceived wrong.
 
The idea is still simple: Some modern-ish German state later on in DU in some area. The initial references were simply referring to government form, not any actual historical events - Germany simply looked different in government form around WW1 (I used WW1 just as a simple time reference, while I meant how Germany was roughly organized back then, my bad) compared to how it looks today.
 
It was simply used as possible alternative to the initially mentioned modern day Germany, which is a federal (parliamentary) republic. There is no intention of reviving any "good old days", but simply taking some government form and then applying it roughly for the organization in the setting of DU. The rest would be up to players (in this "org" and beyond) from that point on, though (emergent gameplay).
 
If others automatically assume "space nazi" and so on simply through the existence of some formal German(-speaking) centered state in DU, it's solely up to them, just like people today still think or call Germans Nazis by default. Can't really change that, do not intend to as generalizations on that level exist in many forms.
 
I personally see little problems so far if things are kept reasonable on this side (no obvious references or changes in mentality that might warrant said assumptions).
 
What anyone else thinks of it, is of course beyond my initial control. All I saw is that those unique aspects (with some cultural influences) worked out in the specific MC community, which had some similar 'state' - but it was rather Prussian influenced or modelled after such themes.
 
Perhaps that was already somewhat helpful in clearing any potential concerns. If you have more, throw them my way (or, better yet, in here). Best way to solve concerns or problems is to talk about it.
 
 
 

With the advice Twerk put in there, i agree. Focus on the purpose and community aspect of the desired org and be more subtle with its inspiration and you'll avoid a few of the problems he brought up.

Great idea...

Now, let's see who's gonna come up with an Inglorious Basterds group of only Jewish people, then Cambodians who will form a Totally NOT Camarouge guerilla army and, of course, Japanese who will form a Totally Not Imperial Japan of WW1 (not WW2 guys, even though the Japanese were on a warpath from 1900s to 1945, so technically, the WW2 JApan was WW1 Japan). I can't personally wait for the Imperial Britain isnpired Birtish only army that will attack any smaller faction and of course, the Cartel inspired Latin american groups. Ah, how fun it is to segregate. Why be inclusive when you can be segregated.

I personally can't wait for the Mujahedin inspired Afghani organisation. No no! Not the ones the USA fought in the early 2000s !!! I am talking about the Mujahedin the USA trained in the 1980s to fight the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan !!!
 
 I know at this point you see the problem with your suggestion, but let me continue so I can become contextualised.

Warden. I like you man, but here's the problem.

Your idea sounds a LOT like WW2 Germany. The very thing you just described, is the etymological definition of fascism - a desire to "turn back the clock" to the "good old days". You know, good old days like...  WW1. Ah, who can forget the stories about an aspiring Lance Corporal who was told to shave his moustache so he could wear his gas mask, as the Germany was about to unveil Chemical Warfare for the first time and the Lance Corporal outsmarted his C.O. by making his moustache fit the gas mask by making it look like a toothbrush in shape. 

Ah, good old WW1 days. Cause, you know, when you say "World War 1 Germany inspired group", people will say "Yeah, WW1 Germany were the good germans, I have no problem now, who cares about the Chemical warfare, or the fact, you know, the desire to bring back WW1 germany was what led to Hitler's rise to power, Warden's German only state is awesome. Yey Space Nazis!".

And, let's be honest here, you are neither naive nor foolish, you know that it will end there. People watched Wonder Woman  recently saying "oh, she fought Nazis as well like Captain America?". Do you really think people see a German in Black and Red and think "totally WW1 Germans, those were not Nazis" -- even if to begin with, only 5% of the German army in WW2 were registered members of the Nationalist-Socialist party AKA the Nazis, but who cares about those things when you can blanket statement an entire army as "Nazis", right?

Also, do you think people will see this :
 
 
and say "totally WW1 Germany, those were the Okay Germans. Wait, didn't they start that war and caused like 20 million confirmed deaths?", then immediately go like "yeah, let's just shoot them and never ask questions, F those germans and their shenanigans".

 
 
 
Having a "German DU Community Organisation" for people of the same language to communicate in-game, sure, it can work. Having a german only organsiation? Sure, many people do that in EVE, for the sake of convenience on comms and operational hours.

But nnne of them I ever seen went like "oh, btw, we are the Space WW1 Germany guys". Those who did, got insta-gimped. Nothing incites cooperation than beating on "WW1 Germany inspired" Germans. It's a sad fact about mob mentality.

The very notion of "World War inspired German-only Organisation", is like putting a target on yours and on every other german's head in Dual Universe. The very notion of "Imperial Germany of WW1", devalidates any and all good intentions you may have beyond that sentence.

Germany has a lot of stigma following it as a country, don't accumulate more reasons for people to insta-grief an entire ethnicity on "they are part of the Space Nazis" principle alone mate.



Cheerios.


P.S. : I hope HuschHusch does something without "WW1 Germany" in the mix.

English (Translator used)
 
Hello CaptainTowermotor,
I love the future and games in which you can try new ideas.
Unfortunately, the past does not change, but one can learn from the mistakes of the past. Symbols and phrases that reflect these errors should not be used, because then the repetition of the errors is also counted.

Warden would like to make a big German nation is his rolling game, but I give you right, he should not repeat the old mistakes (and symbols).
For whoever has great power also has a great responsibility.

I do not want all the German speaking players here to be seen as NAZI, and I assume that Warden would not like that.
 
 
German (orginal)
 
Hallo CaptainTwerkmotor,
ich liebe die Zukunft und Spiele in der man neue Ideen ausprobieren kann.
Die Vergangenheit läst sich leider nicht ändern, aber man kann aus den Fehlern der Vergangenheit lernen. Symbole und Phrasen die diese Fehler wiederspiegeln sollten nicht benutzt werden, denn dann wird auch mit der Wiederholung der Fehler gerechnet.
 
Das Warden eine große deutsche Nation machen möchte ist sein Rollenspiel aber ich gebe dir Recht, er sollte die alten Fehler (und Symbole) nicht wiederholen.
Denn wer große Macht besitzt, hat auch eine große Verantwortung.
 
Ich möchte nicht das alle deutschsprechenden Spieler hier als NAZI gesehen werden, und ich gehe davon aus, dass auch Warden das nicht möchte.
 
 
 
mfG Die Waldfee