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It forces big ships to have escort fighters, which I think is a good thing - because in another game I play where there's no difference in range no matter how big your ship is, the meta is almost entirely "The guy with the biggest ship and most turrets win" which has almost no counter at all. At least the current meta of DU, while annoying, still has a counter Edit: I'm not saying NQ shouldn't try to balance it somewhat, to make using bigger ships seems less like a liability, as I'm a big ship person myself Edit 2: Maybe instead of removing different lockon ranges entirely, they can increase the lockon range of XS ship to that of an S ship? So at least people with S freighters won't feel too vulnerable, while M and L cores still need fighters

I've watched some myself but haven't watched this 1. Thanks for the link We can't see in the video how fast the cube accelerated toward that speed compared to the other ship (since he was already at 28k kmh in the beginning of the recording) so I still stand by my argument that if the other ship was built well enough the other guy could've probably changed course and outrun the cube once he saw it in the radar (which apparently only has few space thrusters looking at the video), especially since with very little speed difference like that (both are traveling near 30k kmh) it would've taken the cube quite a while to catch up to the freighter, and the freighter pilot would've seen it coming minutes away Example: If the cube has MAX amount of forward thruster for example, then any ship that is not a cube with similar amount of forward thruster will always be faster because it won't be carrying a cube of blocks (except when it's full of cargo maybe). But the bigger you go the more thrust:weight ratio you can have, so if you're on an S core ship for example, yes you will be outranged even more, but you'll have more acceleration given you construct your ship for acceleration. I'm just it's not un-counterable But yeah, whether it's a cube or an XS core ship with 2 large railguns, like I said if the freighter has an XS core ship with large rail guns of his own, he could've possibly intercepted that cube and force it to disengage from the ship - inconvenient but better than the suggested alternative of removing different lockon ranges, which would bring even worse problems

Like I said, current mechanics makes it inconvenient to freight in PvP zones, but that's by design as PvP zones aren't meant to be safe havens, and removing different lockon ranges mechanic like you suggested will only make more problems. Tanking is only a part of my suggestions, I suggested; bring a gunner, bring an XS core ship, take a different route, or don't go to dangerous zones at all if you don't have gunners / friends protecting you. I'm all for more balancing if there are imbalance found, but removing different lockon ranges is totally not the answer.

Well that argument is anecdotal unless there's hard proof / statistics which show that a properly made bigger ship can't outrun an XS core ship full with L sized equipment. What I'm saying is if they remove the different lockon ranges mechanic, there will be bigger troubles and more abuses as huge cubes of death will be even harder to counter - with the current mechanics it is inconvenient to counter an XS core pirate, but at least there are feasible countermeasures (bring gunner, bring XS core ship with railgun, make your ship thicker, choose a different route, or have someone clear your path first with a smaller ship, as even the most dedicated pirates can't possibly stay online 24/7)

Did, and like I said even so it's unfeasible for an XS core ship with all kind of L sized equipment to outmaneuver or outrun a properly-equipped bigger ship, unless the bigger ship is poorly made

It matters to the validity of your argument because you said you got them 2 weeks ago, "easy" in only 30 minutes which is almost impossible, but most importantly you used that example to convince people that an XS core ship with an L railgun and all needed equipment / engines / fuels can be feasible and even outrun / outmaneuver proper bigger ships. If you can't prove it then your argument is moot

Do tell me how 2 weeks ago, which is barely 5 days after beta release, people already made railguns and are selling them in the market. And where's the image of this XS ship with railgun which only took you 30 mins to make? I don't like accusing people but it seems more and more like you're just mad that some pirates destroyed you because you didn't take necessary precautions, and now you're mad at people who are trying to tell you what you can do, and possibly resort to lying to win an argument

Yeah any fully dedicated-for-combat ship will outperform any non-combat ship in combat, it is just what it is I guess. Can't you see the pirate first with radar though? Because even at 30,000kmh it still takes a few seconds to reach radar lockon range, unless there's really bad lag I guess

Show me this ship you made. And are you sure it can even outrun S ship with proper thrusters? And tell me how you made it in 30 min, as L railgun and L seat each takes 19 hours to make, not to mention their materials, and L radar takes hours, unless you already have them in stock of course and you're only talking about "putting it together" time which doesn't really say anything since most of the time is coming from manufacturing them

It is a planned feature so it's a valid example. And to my previous point, here's my XS ship next to my L railgun, see how unfeasible it would be to get an XS ship properly working with an L railgun attached? That doesn't include fuel tanks, engines, L radar and gunner seat, plus all the piloting elements needed to move them

See my third point. XS core ships can only hold so much so it's already a pain and expensive to fit L radar, gun and seat on an XS core, not to mention the thrusters and fuel tanks needed to propel it (L railgun is about 16t) plus you can always deploy an XS ship with a gunner like I said if an XS core pirate with a gunner is coming after you

Not true; M core with a gunner can have similar range as any solo XS gunner S core with a gunner can outrange solo XS gunner Yes XS ship with a gunner can outrange any bigger ship, but XS ship can't hold that much within the confine of 32m size and can't possibly have all the things that S-L core ships can have Railguns have the worst max firing cone while something like a missile have 180 degree firing cone In atmosphere max scan range is 5km and max lock range is 4km so cannons or missiles or even smaller ones can be more useful / efficient than railguns Cube ships have their own flaw (too big and bulky for anything else other than space PvP, faster ships can outrun them as any ship that's not a cube can fill in more engines than cubes) However I agree that M radar is useless, but S radar still has its use for solo gunner.

Of course it's not up to the freighter, it's the pirate (attacker) which initiate the engagement, but that's just how it is and not a problem with any logic - you don't get to choose when or whether or not you'll get engaged, that's unrealistic. I'm merely saying that's what you can do to counter a pirate attacking your ship - Max radar scan range is 400km, if you see an XS pirate coming with a gunner you can deploy your XS craft which should ideally also has a gunner and the pirate will be forced to deal with the XS craft instead of shooting at the freighter

If you're in a large freighter you can always have an L radar with L gunner seat + L weapon and you can have the same range as any XS pirate as long as they're solo-gunning and as long as your large freighter is M core and not L core If the XS pirate has a gunner as well, then you can bring a smaller XS core ship with a gunner as well and you can force the pirate to disengage your bigger ship as they will need to respond to your XS core ship attacking them at similar lock / firing distance I do kinda agree that the different lockon ranges for different core sizes can favor some playstyles over others, but they do it so there's a counter against L ships (otherwise everyone with the means would just fly massive L ships and there's no way of defeating them if smaller ships can't outrange them, and this will force them to have smaller ships guarding them or just use smaller ships entirely) Adding: And if the lockon ranges are the same across all cores as you suggested, then the current different tiers of radar system would be obsolete and everyone would just opt for railguns, and it would be a matter of who has the thickest cube ship with the most railguns instead of the possible varieties we have now

I understand that it can be a problem, but that's part of the gameplay, and if any pirate does that anyone can bring similarly-equipped XS core ship to engage the pirate, and anyone with a gunner can outrange any solo pirate (or at least have the same range). The "They can always outrange us by moving away / closer" argument is not true if you have the right loadout for what you have S space radar (the only radar any solo pirate can equip without gunner) have lockon ranges of; 10km against XS core 20km against S core 40km against M core 80km against L core L space radar (if you're flying with a gunner / soloing your gunner seat) have lockon ranges of; 40km against XS core 80km against S core 160km against M core 320km against L core You might not even need a gunner if you use a large missile with large gunner seat against a solo pirate, as you can stand up, go to the gunner seat and lock on the pirate that way as the ship cruises at the same speed and direction, the missiles have 180 degrees aiming angle and 60km max range (XS core lock range for L space radar is 40km) while an S radar can only lock as far as 20km for S core, 40km for M core and 80km for L core, so as long as you're not flying an L core ship you'll always have a good fighting chance against a solo pirate as they can't outrange you if you bring the right equipment / loadout for what you have Here's how I see it; If you're flying an XS core ship, then get your own space radar and at least a railgun, and you can have the same lock & firing range as any solo pirate flying an XS core ship (minus range from talents differential) If you're flying anything larger than an XS core ship and want to not get outranged by any solo pirate, get L gunner seat, radar and weapon, and ideally bring a gunner with you If you're worried that the pirate is gonna have a gunner / gunners as well, well that's part of the gameplay outside safezone What I'm saying is there's really no imbalance as you can counter any pirate / attacker without being outranged if you bring the right kind of equipment for what you have, there would be an imbalance if any particular loadout / playstyle can't get countered at all, which is not the case

My bad, meant to say "see" instead of "identify", fixed my post earlier Yeah, that's what I meant by outtanking them with larger ship (because you'd be accelerating already when you're heading towards them), and if anyone can't outmaneuver them (say they're really fast like you said) if they're doing that can't anyone just come with similar XS cheese-cube or multiple if they have friends / orgs? Plus if the guy in the XS core ship is soloing then they wouldn't be able to use larger guns / radars and anyone with radar + gunner can outrange them

Just think of them as pirates. And aren't there mechanics in the game already that balance that kinda thing? For example if they're using a big L or M ship, then you can outrange them with S / XS ship with if you guys have similar weapons / radars (you'll need a gunner of course). And if they're using small ships, just make bigger ships that can outtank them. Not to mention radars, can't you see them from 400km away (way outside any gun's range) already?

Would be funny if it's gonna be so bad that NQ will start putting up parking fees for markets otherwise your ship gets shot by some cannons (as extra economy sink)

Just got it to work earlier c= https://gyazo.com/528d94ec23d484ba947b2dbe31b4cd5f

Thanks you two! c= I'll try to test it right away

Is it possible? Want to make a pocket carrier but don't know if a smaller ship can attach to a larger ship like that

Yeah I was factoring all those variables to figure out what kinda ship I / most people would have depending on their needs / organization's needs, haven't seen how big some of the higher-tier elements are yet, but I'm guessing all of them can fit on an S core to some degree to a reasonable effectiveness if pure firepower / PvP efficiency isn't the intent of the ship, but I guess an M core ship would be more reasonable for an all-around ship that would do well in PvP without being too expensive Can totally see solo players (they need gunners or stand up from their seat, I know) or smaller groups using smaller ships to either hit and run or just runaway from a bigger threat while still being able to shoot / outrange them, or bigger organizations using a bunch of sniper small ships as a tactic or overall strategy

Thanks Johnny, so it's totally possible for smaller ships to fight with or even outrange bigger ships then I guess, since radar lock range differs between core sizes

Like an L gun on an S core, L gun on an M core, etc

Thanks you two! c=