FryingDoom

Actually I cannot say that I have ever considered a normal function of society as PvP. If you look at the basic economic reality, drinking a glass of water is PvP as you are preventing another from drinking that same water. This is why PvP is normally classed as actions that would be illegal. Making non-PvP areas lawful areas by definition as EvE online used to class Hi-Sec until they altered it to keep the Null Sec pirates happy. So either a Sanctuary moon is a place of lawful encounters or it is not. If its not then it is a PvP area and there are no sanctuary moons or non-pvp areas.

Ok so you don't even know what a companies financials are. Well that explains a lot.

So its not PvP. So its not Player vs Player? Really.

So what you are saying is that they lied about non-PvP areas then. Must admit if they are just making EvE Online Part 2, it really makes the game complete crap and not worth playing. As EvE online Numbers show no one wants to play that crap any more and before you say something stupid read CCP Games financials.

As I said If it is PvP then it needs to happen in PvP areas. If its not PvP then it is an exploit that should be banned. PvP occurring in sanctuary areas is forbidden under statements made by NQ. Deal with it.

And in most games except EvE Online it was considered a breach of the rules and reversed. Which was why so many people were stunned when CCP Games stated that it was a part of the game.

Actually I just don't care. PvP is meant to occur only in PvP areas. Other than that I really don't care.

And that has what to do with anything? If you want bases in PvP areas because you think PvP is so great. Build them.

Well as it is PvP, in areas that are approved for PvP. Really is that concept so hard for you to understand?

I am not that stupid and as I said that is a form of PvP according to the PvP players otherwise if it is not PvP it would be an exploit that should be banned altogether.

Yes I am a Care Bear. Subsequently I operate on a non-PvP Sanctuary moon. If the moon was not non-PvP, I would be demanding my money back in under a second.

As this is a form of PvP it should be limited to PvP areas and never be allow on Sanctuary Moons.

And that is the problem. The communication. That is a very ambiguous statement. If it is just the sanctuary moon and the area around the ark, then its more like "Don't want PvP? Don't worry you will be bored to death in no time." The Game should advertise itself as a PvP game and cut the BS.

Very informative answer. In a way I am glad I discovered this before I buried thousands of hours into this game. I mean it is nice to be able to crate something nice on Sanctuary but to have effectively no other safe area (at worse) means it is not worth the gamble to play. Have Fun.

SPACE WARFARE From pirate raids to skirmishes to coordinated attacks: space is a dangerous place. With real-time destruction, battleship crews and player-designed ships, this is PvP like no other. Don’t want PvP? Stick to Safe zones and you’ll be fine. Can we get a definitive answer from NQ as to where that safe zone will be. Is it just the sanctuary moon? Is it the blue blob that surrounds Aolith and its moons. Just a simple definitive statement.

And there is the problem in a simple statement "keeping the safe zone how it is now is fine by me." the only thing we know is safe is the sanctuary moon, while these boards are flowing with the same idiots who wrecked EvE. With bugger all from NQ. Thats why its just not worth the time.

You say" Outside the safe zones" but what exactly are they supposed to be? Just the santuary moons? what?

And that is actually the problem. Not what PvP is now but what it is going to be, the lack of communication leads one to believe the end product will be EvE 2 especially with the same whines occurring that created EvE 1. With no hard statements about the future, you have to say why bother. I had that in EvE, CCP said one thing for many years (more than NQ are) and then due to greed and some of its developers went down Null road and the game went to crap.

As someone who has not spent much time following the game, the risk that it will become EvE 2 is too great. Personally I will be happier just not wasting my time and money. I have no problem with PvP so long as it serves a purpose, in EvE the purpose is to destroy the game play of those who do not want to be in a pvp corp. So frankly as this seems to be where this game is going I will save my time and find another game to play. After all why bother spending years again, to see the basics of the game destroyed to keep a small number of people happy. Anyway I have enjoyed conversing with you on these forums at time, so have fun and Enjoy EvE 2.

I never thought it was supposed to be the bucket of shit EvE is does not even come close to saying that any where. But oh well shit happens. It was a good game with potential but if it is Just EvE 2. Not really any point is there. So have fun.

Ahhh EvE at its best.

Actually I love this game but did not know it was going to just be a mark 2 of one of the biggest piles of shit in history. But each to their own, you enjoy the theft, piracy, account looting and finally the game owners doing exactly what they are told in fear of losing money. Fuck that shit.

Thanks for saving me the time. Another EvE is just a massive waste of time. Would have been nice if it said something like "If you thought EvE was a huge pile of crap, you wont like this because we are using the turds from the same bucket."

Having seen they very same arguments, using the very same terms "Rick vs Reward" "Sandbox" "balance" years ago in EvE and seeing how that turned into a pile of crap, Not even sure if its worth wasting the time playing. Thankfully I have until the end of Beta to figure it out because at the moment the PvP crowd just seem to Want EvE 2.

You make a great argument to no bother playing at all.