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I can't help but laugh at peoples saying "Now this is the release, there wont be another wipe !" or "You really thought there will be no wipe after a beta ?"
 

Beta release :
NQ - "No more full wipe now, we PROMISE !"
Players - "Yeay ! Let's play for real now, invest our time in it !"
 

Re-release :
NQ - "Here is the final full wipe !"
Players who played years - "F"
Players who have not played - "Yeay ! Get rid of all those beta cheaters ! Now I will play !"
 

Also NQ in this annoucement :
"We hope to have only one release"
 

It's HILARIOUS.
Good bye everyone. 

I can't help but laugh at peoples saying "Now this is the release, there wont be another wipe !" or "You really thought there will be no wipe after a beta ?"
 

Beta release :
NQ - "No more full wipe now, we PROMISE !"
Players - "Yeay ! Let's play for real now, invest our time in it !"
 

Re-release :
NQ - "Here is the final full wipe !"
Players who played years - "F"
Players who have not played - "Yeay ! Get rid of all those beta cheaters ! Now I will play !"
 

Also NQ in this annoucement :
"We hope to have only one release"
 

It's HILARIOUS.
Good bye everyone. 

I can't help but laugh at peoples saying "Now this is the release, there wont be another wipe !" or "You really thought there will be no wipe after a beta ?"
 

Beta release :
NQ - "No more full wipe now, we PROMISE !"
Players - "Yeay ! Let's play for real now, invest our time in it !"
 

Re-release :
NQ - "Here is the final full wipe !"
Players who played years - "F"
Players who have not played - "Yeay ! Get rid of all those beta cheaters ! Now I will play !"
 

Also NQ in this annoucement :
"We hope to have only one release"
 

It's HILARIOUS.
Good bye everyone. 

I can't help but laugh at peoples saying "Now this is the release, there wont be another wipe !" or "You really thought there will be no wipe after a beta ?"
 

Beta release :
NQ - "No more full wipe now, we PROMISE !"
Players - "Yeay ! Let's play for real now, invest our time in it !"
 

Re-release :
NQ - "Here is the final full wipe !"
Players who played years - "F"
Players who have not played - "Yeay ! Get rid of all those beta cheaters ! Now I will play !"
 

Also NQ in this annoucement :
"We hope to have only one release"
 

It's HILARIOUS.
Good bye everyone. 

I can't help but laugh at peoples saying "Now this is the release, there wont be another wipe !" or "You really thought there will be no wipe after a beta ?"
 

Beta release :
NQ - "No more full wipe now, we PROMISE !"
Players - "Yeay ! Let's play for real now, invest our time in it !"
 

Re-release :
NQ - "Here is the final full wipe !"
Players who played years - "F"
Players who have not played - "Yeay ! Get rid of all those beta cheaters ! Now I will play !"
 

Also NQ in this annoucement :
"We hope to have only one release"
 

It's HILARIOUS.
Good bye everyone. 

I can't help but laugh at peoples saying "Now this is the release, there wont be another wipe !" or "You really thought there will be no wipe after a beta ?"
 

Beta release :
NQ - "No more full wipe now, we PROMISE !"
Players - "Yeay ! Let's play for real now, invest our time in it !"
 

Re-release :
NQ - "Here is the final full wipe !"
Players who played years - "F"
Players who have not played - "Yeay ! Get rid of all those beta cheaters ! Now I will play !"
 

Also NQ in this annoucement :
"We hope to have only one release"
 

It's HILARIOUS.
Good bye everyone. 

I can't help but laugh at peoples saying "Now this is the release, there wont be another wipe !" or "You really thought there will be no wipe after a beta ?"
 

Beta release :
NQ - "No more full wipe now, we PROMISE !"
Players - "Yeay ! Let's play for real now, invest our time in it !"
 

Re-release :
NQ - "Here is the final full wipe !"
Players who played years - "F"
Players who have not played - "Yeay ! Get rid of all those beta cheaters ! Now I will play !"
 

Also NQ in this annoucement :
"We hope to have only one release"
 

It's HILARIOUS.
Good bye everyone. 

I can't help but laugh at peoples saying "Now this is the release, there wont be another wipe !" or "You really thought there will be no wipe after a beta ?"
 

Beta release :
NQ - "No more full wipe now, we PROMISE !"
Players - "Yeay ! Let's play for real now, invest our time in it !"
 

Re-release :
NQ - "Here is the final full wipe !"
Players who played years - "F"
Players who have not played - "Yeay ! Get rid of all those beta cheaters ! Now I will play !"
 

Also NQ in this annoucement :
"We hope to have only one release"
 

It's HILARIOUS.
Good bye everyone. 

I can't help but laugh at peoples saying "Now this is the release, there wont be another wipe !" or "You really thought there will be no wipe after a beta ?"
 

Beta release :
NQ - "No more full wipe now, we PROMISE !"
Players - "Yeay ! Let's play for real now, invest our time in it !"
 

Re-release :
NQ - "Here is the final full wipe !"
Players who played years - "F"
Players who have not played - "Yeay ! Get rid of all those beta cheaters ! Now I will play !"
 

Also NQ in this annoucement :
"We hope to have only one release"
 

It's HILARIOUS.
Good bye everyone. 

I can't help but laugh at peoples saying "Now this is the release, there wont be another wipe !" or "You really thought there will be no wipe after a beta ?"
 

Beta release :
NQ - "No more full wipe now, we PROMISE !"
Players - "Yeay ! Let's play for real now, invest our time in it !"
 

Re-release :
NQ - "Here is the final full wipe !"
Players who played years - "F"
Players who have not played - "Yeay ! Get rid of all those beta cheaters ! Now I will play !"
 

Also NQ in this annoucement :
"We hope to have only one release"
 

It's HILARIOUS.
Good bye everyone. 

I can't help but laugh at peoples saying "Now this is the release, there wont be another wipe !" or "You really thought there will be no wipe after a beta ?"
 

Beta release :
NQ - "No more full wipe now, we PROMISE !"
Players - "Yeay ! Let's play for real now, invest our time in it !"
 

Re-release :
NQ - "Here is the final full wipe !"
Players who played years - "F"
Players who have not played - "Yeay ! Get rid of all those beta cheaters ! Now I will play !"
 

Also NQ in this annoucement :
"We hope to have only one release"
 

It's HILARIOUS.
Good bye everyone. 

Yeah, sadly NQ don't have a great track-record keeping promises.
 
(31:58) "Whatever you do after beta starts is going to stay in one way or another... You will get what we call for the moment 'magic blueprints'... blueprints with everything included in it so you will be able to respawn the things as soon as we restart the server. So we don't like to call it 'wipe'... The key thing is the beta is really the start... You can start to invest yourself in the game. We guarantee that you're not going to be losing everything at some point... the universe is blank again, and you have to start from scratch."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syku-NmSg4s&t=1918s
 
"With future wipes, as much of your assets as possible will be kept between before and after the wipe, in particular constructs will always be preserved, if necessary with special one-time-use blueprints ("Packaged Blueprints") that do not require ingredients..." ⬇

Your daily reminder that multiple NQ staff in multiple channels, verbally and in writing, said we would get 'magic blueprints' if they ever needed to do a wipe:
 

 
(1:30) the reason for a wipe would be "(there is) something that we need to fix and there is no other but to wipe to fix it. I don't see anything like that coming... it's something that would happen if we really had no choice..."
(4:45) "we're going to do everything we can so that we don't have to go through a wipe again"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOp9nDzkxpc
(58:26) "It would be a very bad thing to say 'sorry guys, restart from scratch.'" 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai3Kk37ntgg
(15:53) "Everything you build is forever"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD00-V_LKog
(31:58) "Whatever you do after beta starts is going to stay in one way or another... You will get what we call for the moment 'magic blueprints'... blueprints with everything included in it so you will be able to respawn the things as soon as we restart the server. So we don't like to call it 'wipe'... The key thing is the beta is really the start... You can start to invest yourself in the game. We guarantee that you're not going to be losing everything at some point... the universe is blank again, and you have to start from scratch."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syku-NmSg4s&t=1918s

Ehhhh NQ ... A true study case of "What a video game company should not do".

All the reasons given for a wipe are valid.
But when you advertise for "no wipe are planned unless something goes terribly wrong" and then just do a wipe to please new players. What do you expect ?

Personnally I hate the idea of a wipe, not because I have to rebuild. But because all the BP I sold will be kept by players.
So the economy is wiped yes. But for me the market saturation stay.
Ok, I can deal with it. I just have to make new builds. I'm pissed off but I can live with this idea.

But no. You have lost something more important with this wipe NQ. Player's trust.
I don't trust you anymore. I consider everything you say as lies. Every, single, word.
In that context, I don't want to play the game.
What will be your next move ? Removing the safe zone ? Doing a wipe AFTER the release ? Yep, all of this can happen now.

Beta is Beta I fully expect changes during it but once you make the promise of no more wipes and your saying your going to wipe  it....what does thAT say to me or anyone else about this company.. All you have is your word and if you can not keep that then what do you have to go on?  Nothing.

I can't believe I have to write all this stuff.
 
We should always keep in mind that the decision we made was based on the information provided by the developers. After getting assured by the NQ that they would not wipe us, my friends and I decided to start playing. People I started playing with spread worldwide, which means they have different incomes in real life. Playing DU for some of them was worth 10 minutes of their work time in real life, and some had to work days to pay a yearly subscription. Money equals time and time equals money. The time equals your lifetime, your free time. Some of my mates decided to pay for the sub to benefit from having all this SP. These guys chose to pay for the game they are not playing to get something you won't take away. In other words, they believed you and decided to give you their time (as long as we got paid for the time we spent working in real life). Keeping that in mind, how would you describe your actions if you took their real-life assets from them? Because technically, the SP I have is a real-life asset.
 
I can't believe I have to write this.
 
You, guys, mentioned that's bad for new players. Okay, I decided to start playing EVE Online today. Should CCP wipe the whole server? There will always be new players who are in a position of weakness. In the end, we are paying to get SP and become stronger. Of course, you could say now, "EVE Online is not in betta," they could not wipe. In my opinion, if you said we're not going to wipe, you shouldn't. I said nothing about blueprints, and that's okay; feel free to wipe. However, if I should not take an advantage of other players, let's say, give us free playtime. I decided to play based on the number of skill points in-game and the number of skill points I acquired in a minute. I can foresee a scenario where you give us some free playtime, worth of how much we paid, but you still could decrease the number of SP we get a minute and the number of SP we need to level a skill. That's also won't be honest; the whole situation is absurd; this is simple as pie. You ask people to express their thoughts, but you can't measure how much these ppl brought to the DU. You already made a decision about wiping the day you said you wouldn't wipe anymore. I can't believe it's even a question.
 
The situation with blueprints looks like this: "Okay, people don't like the blueprints, and it actually doesn't work as it is supposed to because NPC sells it. Hmmm, what could we do? Create an in-game mechanics to produce, research, explore the blueprints, or remove them so people won't ever have to use the markets? Yeah, let's kill the sandbox game".
I have loads of things to say; probably, you won't even read this because it seems that you aim to fail the game. Or maybe you are looking for a way to stop the development legally; if you have no profits and you can't pay for the servers, that explains everything. But, as a person paying for Beta, it's okay for me if you stop the project by announcing it is over. Because now you want me to pay for your mistakes. Speaking about mistakes, telling people you are not going to wipe could be a mistake. But you are the one who should pay for it, not me. Likewise, the game design could be a mistake, but I shouldn't pay for this either.
As a customer with a complete T123 factory capable of producing anything, I'm even okay with wiping all in-game assets but don't touch my talents.
 
The best choice for me: okay, wipe it, but don't give me SP; give me the skills I had. I don't care how many skill points a minute we will have after the wipe or how much skills will be worth (in SP); I need my skills back. That would be honest to people who supported you. And that is not hurting the new players because when a person joins the game, he understands that he's new here. It's not like, "Okay, I'm buying the game. OMFG, I'M NEW HERE AND SOME PEOPLE HERE PREVIOUSLY PLAYED WHAT I'VE DONE?!". So please make a new player experience acceptable, don't make us pay for it.
 
Upd:
I forgot to mention that I'll stop playing DU with both of my accounts. I also would demand a refund.

Judging from how biased the wording of the blog post was, I think they already have made a decision.
 
But they also know how problematic (on many levels) that decision is, so we get this song and dance number complete with red herrings like removal of schematics to try and put a spin on it and appease the masses.

Why is any different than any other MMO today, take Lost Ark, or EVE Online, Star Citizen just to name a few,  if you start one of those games today do they give a DAMN that your a NEW PLAYER I think NOT. And guess what there will be player that are bigger and better than you on day one. So this idea that getting into a game right now requires some magical wipe so we are all EQUAL is a stupid and unrealistic idea and not actually done in practice. 

My Thoughts Exactly. I don't have any of these so called Magical Beta Keys I paid each month for multiple accounts with normal hard earn cash. 

How does a wipe fit with the statement that the beta is supposed to be a soft release along with the sales pitch? For me it is obvious that it is about false advertising and fraud, it certainly feels exactly like that. What does their legal department have to say about this?

I just ended up getting auto-charged for $40 for two accounts at x3 months each. If you wipe, will I get a refund of all my money spent during beta? Would be a non-issue if this wasn't a monthly sub persistent universe/mmo

I paid monthly for a persistent game. Are you telling me that was a lie?

Ehhhh NQ ... A true study case of "What a video game company should not do".

All the reasons given for a wipe are valid.
But when you advertise for "no wipe are planned unless something goes terribly wrong" and then just do a wipe to please new players. What do you expect ?

Personnally I hate the idea of a wipe, not because I have to rebuild. But because all the BP I sold will be kept by players.
So the economy is wiped yes. But for me the market saturation stay.
Ok, I can deal with it. I just have to make new builds. I'm pissed off but I can live with this idea.

But no. You have lost something more important with this wipe NQ. Player's trust.
I don't trust you anymore. I consider everything you say as lies. Every, single, word.
In that context, I don't want to play the game.
What will be your next move ? Removing the safe zone ? Doing a wipe AFTER the release ? Yep, all of this can happen now.

I have never read a bigger pile of one-sided bullsh*t basically advocating for full wipe in order to easily do away with schematics.  Just announce the decision and get it over with.

At beginning of beta it was announced "no more wipes except as required for updates" (like the mining update that was done).  So if NQ do decide to wipe, it would be yet another promise broken.  This also completely ignores that people have been paying monthly to play...

As for "removing unfair advantage" and "level playing field". These are fallacies to help people sleep better at night.  The players with the know how will return to the positions of abundance they have now in short order.   There will always be "haves" and "have nots".   All a wipe does is a slap in the face of the people that put time into the game after being told a wipe would not happen.
 
Make a system that creates schematics rather than remove them.  The problem with schematics, like the markets, is that they do not give player agency.  A player cannot make a schematic at all, they have to be bought.  Make science research a thing.

Cons for wipe have already been mentioned:   As I said, the "NQ thoughts" are heavily aligned to a wipe disregarding promises and small details like leaving an empty world, avid supporters of the game just leave, and paying customers just get their stuff removed.  

What a wipe also does is remove the history of DU such as it is... like Thoramine.  Deleting a piece of DU history like that is unforgivable.

Its a no to reset as  I have played the game for 5 hours per day for over 12 months (over 2000 hours), to get resources and warp cell factory up and running etc, i would have to quit and go back to eve if I lost all that time and effort.

Most important PRO's missed... 
 
Hundreds of paid accounts no longer paying.  Less money for NQ
Empty worlds with no constructs... sounds fun.
Many existing players offer help to new players in financial and advice... gone.